In today’s episode, we explore:
- What the Divine Feminine is and why we need it so badly today
- The Divine Feminine way of running a business
- Simple practices to bring the divine feminine into your life and business ♀
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This Week’s Invitation: Invite as many moments of presence as you can, throughout your day.
Allyson Scammell (00:00):
Well, hello there my dear ones. I hope the sun is shining brightly where you are and you’re able to find some flow in your life. I know it’s so easy to get into the hustle, isn’t it? Just so easy in the modern world to over work and it’s so hard to slow down. Isn’t that interesting? We live in a time where it’s so hard to do nothing. It’s so hard to give ourself permission to slow down and just be. We are human beings, and we live in a modern structure that’s constantly pushing us to do, do, do, overdo.
Allyson Scammell (00:45):
You get rewarded when you do. Success comes from those who do, and success only comes to those who really overdo. It’s such a hard story to rewrite, but that’s what we’re being called here collectively to rewrite at this time in our evolution. The thing that we can drop into the energy, the being, however you experience, to ditch the hustle is the divine feminine. Today, I speak with an amazing guest on this topic that I’ve really wanted to understand on a deeper level, because there’s not a lot of good information out there.
Allyson Scammell (01:27):
If you do a Google search on divine feminine, you get all sorts of things that may or may not serve you. I wanted to record a deep real episode on the divine feminine and creating and how we can create a divine feminine led business. I had the pleasure of unpacking this profound topic with an amazing spiritual teacher and being, Deepshikha Sairam.
Allyson Scammell (01:54):
In today’s episode, Deepshikha and I explore what the divine feminine is and why we need it so badly today, the divine feminine way of running a business, and we offer some simple practices to bring the divine feminine into your life and business. We end on an invitation that will have you ditching the hustle so you can find the flow with the holistic balance of the divine feminine. Be sure to stay with us until the end.
Allyson Scammell (02:29):
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Allyson Scammell (03:02):
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Allyson Scammell (03:30):
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Allyson Scammell (04:05):
She has a no nonsense approach to blending business skills and spiritual gifts to excel in all aspects of your career. She’s an amazing role model leading by example, personally implementing the techniques she teaches. She inspires me and others to be in highest service to the greater good by embracing our own unique talents. She is a spiritual trailblazer,” aw, thank you, “and brings amazing energy to every single episode.
Allyson Scammell (04:31):
Allyson is giving me the courage to share my spiritual gifts and I couldn’t ask for a more nurturing guide as I navigate becoming a soul guided entrepreneur.” Oh my gosh, Beth, that is a truly amazing feedback. I receive it from my heart. Thank you so much. You really got to the heart of what I want this podcast to be about, giving people the courage to share their spiritual gifts. And it does take courage. I want to thank you, thank you, thank you at Beth LeonGuerrero.
Allyson Scammell (05:03):
And if you feel so called to leave this podcast a rating and reveal, I would be so grateful. There are links in the show notes of the various places you can leave a review, and I will be so happy to read your review on the air. Okay, my dear ones, back to the divine feminine. We are unpacking an amazingly deep and profound topic that is in service to you today. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Deepshikha Sairam to talk about the divine feminine.
Allyson Scammell (05:33):
Deepshikha is a spiritual mentor for leaders and high achieving entrepreneurs, helping them go from feeling chaotic to centered and in flow so they can get beyond the noise of their inner chatter and be in their highest self-expression. She uses a delicious mix of spiritual and energy work to help them match their inner state to their outer reality while guiding them back to their true nature. Deepshikha and I had an absolute fabulous time connecting over this profound topic of the divine feminine.
Allyson Scammell (06:03):
Please enjoy. Welcome to Soul Guide Radio, Deepshikha. I’m so happy that you’re here and I’m so excited to dive into this topic today.
Deepshikha Sairam (06:21):
I am too. Thank you so much for having me, and thank you so much for being open to discussing this topic as well.
Allyson Scammell (06:27):
Oh my gosh. We’ve been in a sort of boxer dialogue back and forth. Really I’ve been wanting to do an episode on divine feminine for a long time knowing that I have some understanding of it, but knowing I needed to get a guest on the topic. I really feel like you are the perfect guest. You’ve arrived.
Deepshikha Sairam (06:45):
Oh, thank you. I take that. Thanks lot.
Allyson Scammell (06:49):
I feel like my intention received. Kind of like manifestation received. Yay! All right, so let’s just dive right in and let’s start with for those listeners who kind of know a little bit about it, have heard of it, but aren’t really sure, how do you define divine feminine and why do we need it today? Why is it so important for us today?
Deepshikha Sairam (07:09):
Yeah. I’m so glad that you said, how do you define divine feminine, because there could be like multiple definitions and people look at it multiple way. And that is the most important thing that I would love for listeners to understand is that you define divine feminine in the way that your relationship develops with it. The way that I would define it is my relationship with it is how I have experienced it and how I understand it.
Deepshikha Sairam (07:34):
How I see it, Allyson, is as this beautiful union of the masculine energies and the feminine energies. We can get into that now, we can get into that later, but I believe that we’re all living as splintered versions of ourselves, right? At some point of time or the other, we feel the lack. We feel the separation. The divine feminine, I really see it as a path back to wholeness, a path back to where we feel absolutely complete, whole, not in need of any fixing, any completing, any lack.
Deepshikha Sairam (08:08):
That’s how I see it. That’s how I have experienced it. Let’s talk a little bit about the masculine and the feminine energies for people who are like, what? Are you ready?
Allyson Scammell (08:16):
Oh yeah, let’s do it.
Deepshikha Sairam (08:17):
Can we do that?
Allyson Scammell (08:17):
Let’s do it.
Deepshikha Sairam (08:18):
Okay, yeah. And then I’m going to come back to the second part of the question, which was, why do we need it today? First of all, when I say masculine and feminine, I’m not associating it with the genders. I’m for all genders. I’m really associating it with the energy. Masculine energy is more of doing, analyzing, thinking, strategizing, which we business owners know so much about, right? That’s the action part of it. Now, if I take it in my body, that’s our mind, that’s our brain, because that’s its job.
Deepshikha Sairam (08:52):
Its job is to analyze and strategize. When I talk about the feminine energy, it is more of being, intuiting, expressing. It’s more of receiving. Masculine is giving and feminine is receiving. I mean, even if you think about the traditional way a baby is conceptualized, a masculine gives and a feminine receipts, right? When I talk about the feminine energy, I’m talking about the heart. It is more of back in your body receiving, intuiting, and believing, trusting, all of that, which we all have those parts as well.
Deepshikha Sairam (09:30):
But in the past so many years, we’ve been leaning into our masculine more and feminine less and less. In fact, all of us, we’ve been cut off from feeling. We’ve been cut off from our institution. The first I go to is, what can I do? How can I make this problem go away? Our first go to is not, how am I feeling in this moment right now? Do I even allow myself to feel? Why do we need it today is because the history has shown us that feminine has really been suppressed.
Deepshikha Sairam (09:58):
It’s been pushed down. It’s not been given a chance to emerge. And whenever there is an imbalance, whether it’s too much feminine and no masculine, or too much masculine and no feminine, there is going to be an imbalance. There’s not going to be a homeostasis in your body, in your life, and that’s where disease starts to grow, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (10:19):
Whether it’s a physical ailment, and that happens to so many people with chronic disorders, chronic pains, autoimmune disorders, like stress disorders, but also it starts to happen in our life as the feeling of, okay, everything is great in my life. My finances are good. My business is good, but I still feel miserable. I still feel like something is not complete. We all feel like that. Whenever there’s an imbalance in the body, that feeling starts to come up.
Deepshikha Sairam (10:50):
And that is our feminine trying to say that, “Hey, don’t forget me. I’m here for a reason. I’m here because I want to guide you to your greatest part. I want to guide you back to wholeness.” And as people, we’ve been made to believe that we need to be in struggle mode, in suffering mode all the time, but nothing could be further away from truth we deserve. It is our birthright to feel at peace, to feel whole, to feel that we can receive, be worthy of receiving abundance, success, love, everything.
Deepshikha Sairam (11:22):
When I look at divine feminine, I look at it as your path back to that wholeness, where you feel absolutely incomplete and nobody else is making you happy other than yourself.
Allyson Scammell (11:33):
That’s beautiful. I love that, that complete wholeness. I feel called to mention human design here for some reason, which you know a bit about the thing. Are you a consultant?
Deepshikha Sairam (11:43):
Well, I mean, I wouldn’t call myself either. I have used human design for many, many years, four years now with my clients. I know enough about it, but I don’t do readings. I don’t do all that.
Allyson Scammell (11:53):
No worries. I wasn’t sure if you were like an actual human design coach, but I’m feeling called to raise it here because I’m like you. I am conversant to it. I use it with my clients. I am not certified. But I think that how we… Our human design types can guide us to how we naturally approach things from more of a feminine energy or a masculine energy too.
Deepshikha Sairam (12:16):
Allyson Scammell (12:18):
When you learn that about yourself, it’s really powerful. There are some things where we naturally want to take a more masculine approach and other things we naturally want to take a more feminine approach.
Deepshikha Sairam (12:29):
Yeah, absolutely. I feel like human design and the divine feminine interact and interjects so beautifully, because I see human design as a GPS. I see it as a GPS to where you want to go and divine feminine is the end result. It’s what you feel when you bathe it in that wholeness.
Allyson Scammell (12:46):
Oh, beautiful. I love that. I love that metaphor. There is a divine masculine, isn’t there or is there not?
Deepshikha Sairam (12:54):
Right. Yes, there is. Yes, there is. Divine feminine, when I look at it, it is the balance of feminine and masculine as well. Divine masculine, I would be honest with you, I haven’t really looked into it that much. But from what my understanding is, it needs the same thing. However, there is something known as a toxic masculinity. There’s something known as a toxic femininity, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (13:21):
When we’re too much into one, so just think about it, when you’re too much skewed in one direction, that’s where you are not only out of hemostasis, but you are also maybe overusing some of that, right? I don’t know why, but I’m really called to talk about the energy centers and the chakras here. When you’re too much into one of the chakra, like it’s overused, then it is out of balance again. Even when it’s blocked, when you’re not using it at all, even then it’s out of balance.
Deepshikha Sairam (13:51):
In my understanding, divine feminine, divine masculine kind of means the same thing. When it’s the combination of both, that’s when you are in wholeness.
Allyson Scammell (13:59):
Wholeness and balance is really the essence. There you go. You and I were talking before that we’ve noticed if you do like a Google search, my perception is there’s not a lot of great information out there about the divine feminine, and you can sometimes get confused or misled, I believe. What are some of the common misperceptions about the divine feminine you’ve encountered?
Deepshikha Sairam (14:23):
I think when I started researching into it and I was really called to it and I was like, “Okay, let me find out,” I don’t even think that I found a lot of information. I think everything that I was looking at was taking me to a lot of either religious point of views or it almost felt very cult-like, full of rituals and ceremonies. I’m a GP spiritual person, but I’m also very grounded. I like to follow up everything with practicality, right? To me, I don’t want to follow a ritual blindly.
Deepshikha Sairam (14:59):
I want to understand what it is about. And then I’m all about following a ritual if it appeals to me and if it’s something that I want to do. But the notion that you’re going to be following the divine feminine or allowing the divine feminine in your life only if you do the ritual, only if you get up and then like, I don’t know, give your period bloods to the trees or something, I’m just giving you an example of what I read, that’s not me, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (15:27):
Because these are things which are not… You can’t really feel them from the outside. These are things that you can feel from the inside. You can donate your period of blood to the trees for all you want. But then when you come back to your own life and you are letting everything being run by your mind without consulting your heart, without consulting your soul, to me, that’s not the union, right? That’s not divine feminine then, right? For me, that was more important to understand what this is all about.
Deepshikha Sairam (15:55):
For example, a lot of… I think this is true for all of us, men, women, non-binary, it doesn’t matter. It is true for all of us, that we are so much leaning into the doing part, right? The hustling and the pushing and making things happen. We’re trying to like change things, change matter by matter, when you can change matter by energy, right? And it’s so much more easier. For me, that was the biggest learning, because I was the same. I was trying to like push hustle and do all the things.
Deepshikha Sairam (16:30):
That’s how I had been taught to work, to do my business, to be a parent, to be a spouse. Everything I was told to just go after it, run after it. When I started to think about divine feminine, when I started to think about my feminine side more, it allowed me to go back into my heart and just check in. That’s how it started. Just check in. I’m just going to get an example. How do I feel about writing a blog post? No, it’s not for me. My intuition is telling me I don’t want to do blog post.
Deepshikha Sairam (17:01):
I’d rather do a live right now. But because some business coach has told me to do 10 blog posts a month, am I only doing this because of that? Am I only following a formula without consulting my intuition? Allyson, you do the same work with your clients as well. These are just different terms for explaining the same thing. Check in with yourself first. Check in with your body. Check in. There’s a soul, there’s an infinite intelligence that lives inside all of us.
Deepshikha Sairam (17:28):
And rather us just listening to our brain because our brain is really being lived by the emotions of the past, right? It hardly is ever in the present moment. We should also be checking in with the heart and muscle and what it wants.
Allyson Scammell (17:43):
Yeah, so beautiful. I would love for you to tell us a little bit about your journey with the goddess Isis, if you don’t mind, because she had an effect on your ability to really go deep with this, I understand. I just bought a house. Yay!
Deepshikha Sairam (17:59):
Allyson Scammell (17:59):
Yay! Kind of a dream house for us. Definitely one of those great manifestation stories. Your logic would’ve told you, you’d never get the house. It’s never going to happen but then it magically happened because I wasn’t using my logic. I found a really beautiful side that the closing agent, her name was Isis.
Deepshikha Sairam (18:22):
Allyson Scammell (18:23):
Yeah. I was like, oh, the goddess is here. Tell us who Isis is and how she helped you connect to your divine feminine.
Deepshikha Sairam (18:31):
Yeah. First of all, congratulations! I have exactly a similar story about my house, the one that I’m sitting in. It’s my dream house and a complete manifestation, complete against logic, so I totally get it. I mean, I had no idea who Isis was, and I have always been very interested in self-discovery, not self-improvement, but self-discovery. I want to discover everything that I can about myself, because I believe that knowing yourself is the greatest superpower that you can have.
Deepshikha Sairam (18:57):
When you know yourself completely, then you can get beyond yourself and then you can overcome anything if you overcome yourself, right? I was doing a breathwork session. It was my first breathwork session with the specialist, and she’ll actually come to my house. This is like pre-COVID. She’d come to my house. We were in a breathwork session. I don’t even remember. It was a very long session. I was completely out of my body. In the whole session, I was having a lot of visions. I was in different timelines.
Deepshikha Sairam (19:24):
I was in a past life. Visions after visions after visions. And in the end, I was kind of like in a meadow but frozen. There was no grass there. I see this figure flying in the sky and she lands. This is like at a hilltop. She starts walking towards me. She just stands like a few inches away from me and she says with a beautiful smile and she was beautiful. She had these huge white wings on her back. She says, “I’m going to enter you now.”
Deepshikha Sairam (19:54):
Somehow, immediately after that point, the breathworker called me back in, so I lost that connection, but I couldn’t shake her up. I retold the story to the breathworker and she was like, “You must write all of this down.” There were a lot of other things that happened in that session as well, so that your brain doesn’t tell you that you made it up, because that’s what happens, right? Our brains are very, very capable of talking us out of possibility, talking us out of believing in ourselves.
Deepshikha Sairam (20:23):
I wrote everything down. For some reason, I just like couldn’t get her out of my head. I just kept nagging my breathworker and she was like, “Okay, tell me everything about her that you noticed,” and I did. She sent me an image on the phone. She sent me like a screenshot. I literally just dropped the phone out of my hand because it was exactly her. It was Isis. She’s the Egyptian goddess of healing and magic. And ever since then, I felt such a strange connection to her. It was almost like she initiated me into the divine feminine.
Deepshikha Sairam (20:58):
Anyone who is being called by the divine feminine, who’s listening to this episode because I do believe that if you’re listening here, you are being called to it. Isis, now that I know does that a lot, Isis initiates people into the divine feminine, and then she walks with you, and then she kind of initiates you into being a master of the divine feminine. This happened more than three years ago now. It was kind of like a love affair between me and her. I’ve now seen her so many times in my visions.
Deepshikha Sairam (21:29):
There’ve been so many downloads that I’ve received. This is literally the work that I do today is her work. It is her work through me. I’m just a vessel. There were a lot of things that I had to learn on the way. There were these initiations and some were very, very hard. But what I have learned through my entire three year journey so far is that everything happens to make you stronger, to convert you from an initiate to a master, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (21:59):
You have to literally let go of all the gun in your body, all the gunk that you have taken on, not only in this life, but past lives. All emotions, all the trauma, all the beliefs that you’ve had about yourself and the initiations off of that. Honestly, as soon as I said yes, because for a good year and a half, I kept ignoring. She would come to me. Okay, fine. I’ll Google it, or I’ll buy a book. Nothing would happen. And then there was this time that I would literally use a word the call became so strong that I couldn’t ignore.
Deepshikha Sairam (22:32):
Every part of my soul was telling me that this was something that I needed to do. I had no idea. I write this in my blog as well, that when the student is ready, the master appears, the mentor appears. I started working with someone who kind of introduced me to what divine feminine is like. As we were talking, all my Google searches were leading me to donating my period blood doing all those rituals, which I was like, “Ew! I’m not going to do that.” By the way, if you do that, there’s nothing wrong.
Allyson Scammell (23:03):
Deepshikha Sairam (23:04):
No judgment. But for me at that point of time, that was probably would have been the endpoint. That was not the beginning point. You know what I mean? I couldn’t have being initiated and got to being like a full on priestess. I wasn’t ready for that level. I mean, for me, it’s been Isis who’s been guiding me my entire journey. For a lot of people, it’s Mary Magdalene, Mother Mary, different goddesses. But I do believe that if you’re being called by someone, it’s the same energy.
Deepshikha Sairam (23:34):
It’s the same work. There’s no like who’s the top goddess? If I’m not being called by this goddess, am I not worth it? It’s nothing like that. It’s the same energy. It’s the same work. It’s just what you need in the moment. I honestly needed a lot of emotional healing. I needed that in my life.
Allyson Scammell (23:54):
That’s really beautiful. I love how you framed that story. I love the use of the word initiation. It’s a word I use as well when I talk people through. It’s all the same thing. Just talking about it in slightly different ways or different angles, but basically connecting to the spiritual realm. When you want to amplify your intuitive guest, when you want to amplify your ability to channel or connect or receive downloads, there are these initiations that you go through to really help enable you to release those blocks.
Allyson Scammell (24:24):
In doing so, raising your energetic vibration to be that of, to be in those higher vibrations so that divine information can pass through with greater ease.
Deepshikha Sairam (24:36):
Allyson Scammell (24:36):
Yeah, I love that you used that word as well, because I think it’s a great word to describe what it is. It’s an initiation, and it’s inviting you to go into deep part of yourself that might be a dark part. Doing so, it’s enabling you to release or heal something that’s really calling your attention, calling you to go there. If there are listeners here who are sensing, feeling in their heart, “I’m ready to be initiated. I’m ready to go deeper,” what would you tell them? What would be their next step?
Deepshikha Sairam (25:08):
Allyson, as you know, I just got back from a meditation retreat and we were pretty much in and out of meditation the whole day. And in one of my meditations, I, again, had this out of body experience where I was in a different dimension. I wouldn’t go take you through the entire thing, but one of the things that was revealed to me is that we, as humans, we have free will, right? We think we don’t and we keep seeking things. Like, I want to feel worthy. I want to feel worthy. I want to feel whole.
Deepshikha Sairam (25:37):
I don’t want to feel lack. However, what I was shown is that it’s all about having a free will and then being open to it, right? If you are feeling cold to doing this work, or if you are being called… And not just this. Let’s say you want to feel worthy. That was my big thing. I wanted to feel worthy. I wanted to feel whole. I wanted to feel complete. It’s as simple as just saying it. This has been my entire experience. I resisted what Isis was trying to do through me for about one and a half years.
Deepshikha Sairam (26:10):
But as soon as I was like, “All right, I am ready,” it was like… Nothing started happening. And that has been my experience. The more open you get, the faster things starts to happen. It’s as simple as saying that, “I am ready to do this work. I am ready to be initiated.” And then be open. If you like going to your heart closet, go into your heart and just visualize your heart or be aware of your heart being open. Then be open to it, right? Don’t resist it.
Deepshikha Sairam (26:47):
Because when you resist it, then you’re going to stop it, because we do have free will. But free will is not just about saying, it’s about being, right? You can say things, but in your body, if you’re resisting it, if you’re scared of it, if you’re resisting it, then it’s going to take time. Once that energy starts moving through you [inaudible 00:27:06]
Allyson Scammell (27:06):
Yeah, I love that. I think often, I know for myself anyway, and I suspect some people are going to relate to this, I’ll be ready. I am open. I am ready. I want to be initiated. Okay, now what do I need to do, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (27:19):
Allyson Scammell (27:20):
That social conditioning is so powerful. What on my to-do list? Do I need to journal? Do I need to meditate five times a day? I think that as part of that, I’m open, I’m ready to just being and being mindful and being present of the energy and noticing when it’s here. And then knowing that your brain is going to probably come in and say, “Oh, well, I’m not sure if that’s really a goddess or an ascended master or an archangel or a fill in the blank,” and just, okay, brain, I hear you. I’m going to feed you a grape.
Allyson Scammell (27:52):
You can quiet down now. Going back to that heart, and that heart energy is always going to connect you to the truth.
Deepshikha Sairam (27:58):
Always. Always. You know what I say is that even when your brain is telling you, “This is not the truth,” or maybe you had a wish… It’s happened with me so many times, I would question my visions and my downloads and things that I would channel so much. I was like, “No, my brain made it up.” Just allow. I love the word the art of allowing. Just allow it, right? It’s neither good nor bad. The other side of it [inaudible 00:28:25] Sometimes we get super excited, “Oh my God, I channeled this. I received this download,” and I’ve done that too.
Deepshikha Sairam (28:30):
“I am the greatest. I’ve become a master now.” When you judge it, either in a good way or a bad way, you start resisting, you start getting close, because immediately you move from your heart to your mind or your ego, and your ego is running the show, right? Whether it’s a spiritual ego or your other ego, but this entire work, ego has no place in it. Through very, very hard lessons. Identity, your ego has zero place in it. The more you do it, the divine mother is very loving. She has a place for everybody.
Deepshikha Sairam (29:10):
She will keep initiating you. She will keep giving you lessons from a very loving place. I’m a mom. I’m not sure, Allyson, if…
Allyson Scammell (29:19):
Deepshikha Sairam (29:19):
Yep, you’re a mom. Right. Sometimes we have to be pretty hard with that kids. We have to draw the line, whether it hurts them or not, whether it’s potty training or helping them eat healthy food or cutting their nails, we have to be. We have to keep presenting. I remember my son used to hate cutting nails. Cutting his nails used to be like the biggest drama of our entire life. I would go keep going back there every time, and it would make me feel sad that he would get so upset. But on the other hand, that’s what a divine mother does.
Deepshikha Sairam (29:54):
She will keep presenting opportunities for you that your character has no place, because you can’t say that I’m going to do your work. I’m going to bring in your energy, your goddess, your whole energy into this world, into my family, into my surroundings and get inside your temple with my ego. You can’t say that.
Allyson Scammell (30:18):
Yeah. Such a good example. It reminds me of my daughter falling asleep at night and me holding a flashlight to her fingernails, because she also could not stand getting them clipped. I would literally clip them while she slept. She was a quite deep sleeper, especially when she first fell asleep, she was like kind of out, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (30:36):
Allyson Scammell (30:36):
I would either like shining a flashlight, holding the flashlight in my mouth so I could have both hands to clip the nails praying because it was dark in the room that I didn’t accidentally get some skin and she would jolt awake.
Deepshikha Sairam (30:52):
Right, right, right, right, right.
Allyson Scammell (30:54):
But that’s probably not the good example because doing it that way didn’t really teach her the lesson. You need to make peace with this nail clipper.
Deepshikha Sairam (31:04):
Yeah. But it’s actually a great example because that’s what the divine feminine energy does to us initially. It’ll come with love. Literally it’ll come to you when you are sleeping, in your dreams. But then if you do not get initiated and you do not wake up, then it will jolt you.
Allyson Scammell (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it’s so good.
Deepshikha Sairam (31:25):
It will take you by the shoulders and jolt you and say, “Wake up! Get up! This is your time to be up now.”
Allyson Scammell (31:30):
Yes, yes, yes. Let’s pivot to focusing on our businesses and how we can apply this wisdom to our business. Can you describe the divine feminine way of running a business?
Deepshikha Sairam (31:44):
Sure. It’s not really very different from a divine feminine way of running your life, and I don’t think we should even make the distinction that, okay, I’m just going to use it in my business and not in my life. This needs to become our way of life. Deepak Chopra, who is a spiritual leader, he had this whole series in divine feminine I think last summer. One of the quotes that he said was joy will hide when divine feminine hides, until divine feminine hides, right? I don’t know about everybody else.
Deepshikha Sairam (32:14):
I can make a guess that we didn’t start our businesses to be joyless, right? We want our businesses to give joy. What has happened, and it happened with me too, that our businesses have become this huge thing, this huge monster. And instead of us running our businesses, oftentimes our businesses run us, right? And that’s when we start feeling burnt out. That’s when we start feeling miserable. We start feeling like we have to do the social media. We have to do so many things.
Deepshikha Sairam (32:45):
We have to do the launches, because that’s the way the leaders in the world are doing it and we have to do it. It’s so prevalent, Allyson, around me. People are so miserable. I’ve been there. I have been there. We are so involved in the hustling and the pushing and the chasing of the numbers. Everything is being led by ego, that there is no place for us to feel. There’s no place for us to go back inside a heart and say, “What do I want to create? What does my soul want to create? What do I want to do?”
Deepshikha Sairam (33:13):
Launching, for example, Allyson, used to be a big… Like it was something that my ego led right front and center. Even when I was like on the spiritual path, there was no way I could control it. It would become a game with my ego. How many people are enrolling? How much money I’ve made? How many social media posts are going on? Without like giving myself a chance to say that, “Oh, you know what? I’m in launch mode, but I don’t want to do a post today. All I want to do is just take a break.”
Deepshikha Sairam (33:43):
Sometimes when I would force myself to do that, I remember there was this one time where I was like, you know what? Enough. My soul was so loud, and I said, “I’m going to go take my kids to the park. I’m in full launch right now, but I’m not going to do anything.” I remember I took my kids to the park. Of course, I was not fully present, I was my phone, and two sales came like out of nowhere. And that was my fourth indication of what if this could be my way of running a business?
Deepshikha Sairam (34:09):
What if I could run my business with a balance of doing and being? What if I could let my soul lead what I want to do, and then have my mind and my body do the act? Allyson, that’s exactly why this year I’ve pivoted from being a business mentor to a spiritual mentor, because my soul was so loud and it said that it’s done. My business mentorship part was over. My soul knew that from a very long time, I was kind of like trying to just do what I always knew I could do.
Deepshikha Sairam (34:41):
But when I finally listened, the joy and the peace and the wholeness that I felt, it’s… I mean, I don’t want to trade it for anything. Yeah, we need to do the work. Yeah, we need to do the launches and the social media posts and the email newsletter. Yes. My question to you is I knew also giving a chance to your soul, to your feminine, to come out and have a say, because that’s who that’s leading you to your highest self.
Allyson Scammell (35:12):
Yeah, that’s so good. I feel like when I’m really in alignment to this energy, the soul leading the way, this is called Soul Guide Radio, it kind of gets at the heart of what this podcast is about, is having your soul be the lead voice of your life. I always say that soul, which I define as that higher self, that intuitive voice, that inner knowing, ideally is the director of the movie of your life and is…
Deepshikha Sairam (35:38):
Allyson Scammell (35:38):
Yeah, calling the shots on where things need to be and when to stop and when to act. I find when I’m really in the flow of this, I start to do from a place of being. You’re in this beautiful, delicious energy of just being very unattached and very whole, getting back to your original definition or what we were first talking about with the divine feminine, being this whole, being this balanced. When I tap into that and I start the creative process from that, you can create a whole lot. You can produce so much. And then all of a sudden, you look back and you’re like, “How did I create all that?” Right?
Deepshikha Sairam (36:19):
Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative). Absolutely. I was just going to say that, that a lot of people think that, “Oh, this is all woo-woo. This is all crap. Does that mean I don’t ever do anything?” No, exactly the opposite. In fact, you will do it in a much better state of being that it won’t even feel like work. Have you ever had a moment when you are either painting or singing a song or dancing or cooking a delicious meal and you have no concept of time and space? Suddenly everything disappears and you’re so much in flow.
Deepshikha Sairam (36:49):
That’s exactly what this energy does to you. Sometimes my soul wants me to post on social media and it wants to create funnels and it wants to create landing pages. But when I do it, I feel so much good about it. It’s like less from, “I have to do this. I have to push it out, and I have to get this done,” than, “Oh, I’m in full alignment. I’m in full flow.” That’s the only word that I can get right now. It’s such a beautiful feeling. When you look back, because space and time disappeared, you’re literally creating from the quantum field now.
Deepshikha Sairam (37:23):
There’s no space and time there. Everything appears in the now. You look back and you’re like, “Wow! I did that?” Just a couple of weeks ago, I created this workshop and usually it would take me a whole week to get everything ready, the sales page and everything. One day I was done. One day. It was amazing.
Allyson Scammell (37:42):
Yeah, it’s amazing when you can really align to it, because it feels good. You’re creating at your best, and it does have this effortlessness to it.
Deepshikha Sairam (37:51):
Yeah, yeah. Don’t you feel, Allyson, that when you do that, you’re so invested in the process and not the outcome? I think that’s also a really great distinction. When you’re run by the ego or purely by the masculine, then you’re more attached to the outcome. Divine feminine is being in the process of it, enjoying the process, and then leaving the outcome to a higher power.
Allyson Scammell (38:17):
Yeah, so true. When you think about… If you really dropped into your heart in this moment and asked your heart, “Who are you calling me to be?” Let’s do this right now. Let’s just see what our hearts are saying. When I drop into my heart, who is my heart calling me to be in this moment? I’m getting blissed out. Blissed out. What is your heart calling you to be in this moment?
Deepshikha Sairam (38:39):
Just having my heart open and allowing the love to go out and just come in.
Allyson Scammell (38:44):
Beautiful. Being blissed out. Being open. Allowing the love to flow in and out. Isn’t that when we think about our highest dreams, our highest ideal outcomes, wouldn’t it have those elements up in front and center? That’s what we want, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (39:01):
Allyson Scammell (39:02):
You so beautifully pointed out, it’s here in this present moment.
Deepshikha Sairam (39:07):
Allyson Scammell (39:07):
You got to drop into it. When you do that and you kind of just forget about the… I do think there’s a little bit of duality here. You have the ideal outcome in your mind’s eye, right? I feel like our energy does like to be like… Our higher self does call us to a vision, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (39:27):
Allyson Scammell (39:28):
Yes. But at the same time, we’re completely unattached to it, and we’re in the moment, being in this creative response to what is present. There is a little bit of duality there. That’s okay.
Deepshikha Sairam (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I would also point out here is that you know that you’re doing it from a place of that feeling and the intention of what the higher self is calling you out, because your higher self, your soul has a plan for you. It does. It doesn’t want you to be in a sucky job and not make any money. It has a beautiful plan for you. However, the difference is that in one, when we are being led by the ego, when those things don’t manifest according to our timeline, we immediately attach it to, “I’m not worthy. I’m not good enough.”
Deepshikha Sairam (40:21):
But in the other, we don’t. We only see it as, oh, there’s so much time. I’m being called to my higher purpose. I’m just going to keep going and being in total bliss out state. I know that going from that, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough, to being that bliss out stage takes time and it takes… I wouldn’t even say it takes time, but I know that it takes work and it takes effort, but that is the work.
Allyson Scammell (40:48):
Yes, yes, yes. Love it. Love it. I love this conversation so much. To help our listeners align to this a little bit more, could you offer some simple practices to bring the divine feminine into their life and business?
Deepshikha Sairam (41:02):
Yes. First of all, like I said, having that intention. You have free will and being open, right? Having the intention of, I am allowing the divine feminine to flow through me, or whatever words that you want to use. You don’t have to even use a divine feminine. You can just sue, I want my soul to lead me, or I want my higher self to completely merge with me. That’s what I say. I want my higher self to just blend into me. That is my definition. Or you could say, I want to feel wholeness. I want to feel complete.
Deepshikha Sairam (41:34):
Whatever it is that you want to say, just say that, have that intention. The second thing is one of the practices that really helps, because on one side there is separation, there’s lack. We all feel that separation from our higher self. We feel like our higher self is there and we are here, and we have to cross this time and space to get to her. And on the other side is wholeness, when there’s no difference. You’re completely merged with it. Between it is this kind of like a portal, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (41:58):
That’s the initiation, this portal of like, where all the gunk is, all the conditioning is, all the past emotions is, all the doubts, and everything. The initiation is when you get through it, you’re going to meet wholeness. One practice that I recommend to everybody is I call it the art of allowing, right? Whenever those emotions come in, let’s say you feel the emotion of unworthiness, you feel the emotion of frustration or anger or anything, just allow it. Emotion, Allyson, has this code in it.
Deepshikha Sairam (42:31):
It’s energy in motion. Emotion, we feel it in the body, and we feel emotions as sensations. We name it to anger or fear or anxiety or doubt, but you might instead of doubt, you actually feel maybe a bit in your gut, right? Anxiety might seem like flutters in your heart. Fear might feel like a full body sensation, right? We feel sensation in a body. Emotions are felt in our body, and then we name it to something. What happens is that when we do not allow ourselves to process these emotions in our body, they get stuck and they get trapped in our body.
Deepshikha Sairam (43:06):
And now it’s being proven by science as well that these emotions trapped in our body causes disease. It causes so many disease diseases like chronic fibromyalgia, MS. So diseases that arrive because there’s not enough balance in our body now. The best thing that you can do is to allow the emotions, to allow them to process. How do we allow it? We just let our body do the job. I always give an example of my younger one.
Deepshikha Sairam (43:34):
When he was younger, Allyson, no matter what I did, when he had a tantrum or he cried, I wouldn’t be able to get him to stop crying. Everything worked with my older one when he was younger, bribes, chocolate, screen. But this kid, if he had a tantrum, he had to fully… And he’s still like that to some extent. I mean, it doesn’t have a full blown to our tantrums now, but still whenever he feels something, he feels something fully. Children are like that. They need to process the emotion.
Deepshikha Sairam (44:05):
I remember he would cry out for 45 minutes to an hour and he would just keep crying, crying, crying, crying, and all I could do, hold space for him, right? I would just stay open. Sometimes he would come and sit in my lap and he would cry. Sometimes he would get off my lap. I would just sit there and hold that space for him, allow him the space to cry. After he was done, he would just wipe his snot, wipe his tears, and he was like, “Ready to play ball, mama? Let’s go out play ball, mama,” and he would be so fine.
Deepshikha Sairam (44:35):
That’s what you need to do. You need to be a mother to your inner child, because that’s what emotions are. They are literally snapshots of the past, right? That’s why we keep feeling them in our body. That’s the first step to making your body ready for the divine feminine to flow through. Because if there are blocks, if the energy is trapped in our body, the divine feminine cannot flow through.
Deepshikha Sairam (44:56):
Every time it starts to come through you, it’s going to see a block there, and that block would be a fear or the unworthiness or the unloved emotion that you have, you’ve been carrying, the anxiety, the fear, the doubt. Just allow it. Of course, there are so many modalities that you can use. I highly recommend that if you’re someone who has had trauma, then seek a therapist.
Deepshikha Sairam (45:17):
Don’t try to do this on your own or with someone who has no experience or is not trauma informed, but there are so many modalities that you can use. But that is literally I’ve seen is the biggest and the first step in crossing the threshold from being open to allowing the divine feminine to flow through it.
Allyson Scammell (45:36):
Nice. That’s such a powerful example of you and your son. I think it’s just like wow. I’m like, I think that’s so hard to do as a parent. I so agree with you, just allowing our children to feel, allowing their emotions, which always tell the truth, right? Our emotions tell the truth of where we are in a given moment. It’s really hard because we are so socially conditioned to say stop crying.
Deepshikha Sairam (46:04):
Allyson Scammell (46:04):
It’s very loud. It’s uncomfortable to hear a child crying, especially when it’s your own child. It’s something that I’m aware of, of my own child as well. I never want to tell her not to feel. I’m a highly aware person on this, but I still find myself doing it. Yeah, yeah. First of all, it’s such a powerful story, and it’s inspiring for me to hear how you would hold the space for him in that way.
Deepshikha Sairam (46:35):
Allyson Scammell (46:36):
I feel like you’ve inspired me. And it is whether you have kids or not, it doesn’t matter, either you’re holding the space for your children and then more importantly, holding the space for yourself and your own inner child, just as you described it. It’s a really, really beautiful, really beautiful practice, the art of allowing. I always ask my guests, Deepshikha, to leave our listeners… I’m going to ask you in a second how they can find you. But before that, I invite you to leave our listeners with an invitation.
Allyson Scammell (47:10):
I have to say here, and I used to always invite my guests to leave our listeners with a challenge, but I thought that the challenge, although I do like challenges, but I thought that it’s got a real masculine tone to it like, “I challenge you!” It just came to me that you know what felt better and felt more balanced were invitations and people could check with their higher self to decide whether or not they wanted to accept the invitation, right?
Deepshikha Sairam (47:35):
Allyson Scammell (47:36):
Anyway, I just wanted to add that I’ve shifted my language here from challenge to invitation.
Deepshikha Sairam (47:41):
I love that.
Allyson Scammell (47:42):
Yeah. Would you leave our listeners with an invitation?
Deepshikha Sairam (47:45):
Yeah. Let me check in for a second here of what I want to leave your listeners with an invitation. Okay. All right. This is it. I would love your listeners to invite as many moment of presence as they can in their day. It could be 30 seconds of being really present. When I say present, in that moment, you’re not thinking about the past. You’re not thinking about the future. You are completely present with yourself. Maybe at a dinner table today, you leave out your devices and you’re fully present with your spouse or your kids.
Deepshikha Sairam (48:24):
Maybe you’re fully present, as you said, with your cup of coffee today. You’re not thinking about anything. Art of allowing is one practice and being completely present in a generous present moment is another practice that you allow the divine feminine to flow through. That will be my invitation to our listeners today is to find as many moments as you can in your day, to find that generous present moment where you think about nothing. You actually become nothing.
Deepshikha Sairam (48:57):
You’re just so aware of the present moment that you’re not in the past, you’re not in the future, you’re here. As humans, I feel like that’s a very hard thing. It’s a very hard thing for us to do.
Allyson Scammell (49:11):
Yeah, I love that invitation. I’ve had a lot of guests on the show now and I’ve had a lot of very spiritual guests, spiritual leaders, healers, you name it. You’re the first guest I’ve ever had who dropped into the heart and asked the heart. The first one. I want to thank you for doing that, because I think you really, really modeled really beautifully how this works. The divide feminine speaking through you. Here it is. Here it is. It’s in your life. It’s in your business. You’re just embodying it.
Deepshikha Sairam (49:48):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, for me, I, of course, teach this work. I take people through this work. I have my whole process, which was given to me, but it was given to me because I intentionally lived that process for the last couple of years myself. But the biggest teaching that I can give anyone is how I embody it. And not to my clients, to my kids. I mean, I want to leave this with my kids. I want to leave this with my family. I can only do that by embodying it myself. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for mirroring that.
Allyson Scammell (50:20):
Oh, you’re so welcome. Thank you so much for being on the show, sharing this amazing wisdom. This was the divine feminine episode that I’ve been wanting, that I’ve been yearning for. I’ve been wanting to explore this topic for some time. Thank you, thank you, thank you for being the person who gave us the insight I felt like my community really needed.
Allyson Scammell (50:41):
Please, I know there’s going to be some listeners out there that are going to want to go deeper with you and learn more about you and connect into your world. How can they find you?
Deepshikha Sairam (50:50):
Sure. Thank you for having me, first of all, Allyson. It was such a pleasure having a conversation with you. I feel like I’ve always been wanting to talk to you also because of our similar [crosstalk 00:51:00]
Allyson Scammell (50:59):
Yes, yes, yes. We share the figure eight secret, the secret of the figure eight.
Deepshikha Sairam (51:09):
Right, right, right, exactly. I always felt that we’re kind of the same. I have made an intention this year not to be so much on social media because that kind of brings out my toxic masculinity. You won’t find me a lot there. I do try to go there as much as I can, but the best place to be in touch with me would be via email. I do have a gift for your listeners, Allyson, if that’s okay.
Allyson Scammell (51:33):
Of course! We love gifts.
Deepshikha Sairam (51:34):
Right. Awesome. I have this guided energy activation where I take you through an energy activation to connect into the quantum field, to tune into infinite possibilities that exist there. If you sign up for that, you would be automatically my added to my newsletter. I send two emails a week, sometimes one, sometimes two, and that would probably be the best place to be in touch with me and to know everything about what I’m doing, my process, and all of it.
Allyson Scammell (51:59):
Beautiful. And that link and any other links you want to share will be in the show notes. That’s an awesome free gift. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Deepshikha Sairam (52:06):
Allyson Scammell (52:08):
Again, Deepshikha, thank you so, so much for being on Soul Guide Radio.
Deepshikha Sairam (52:12):
Thank you so much for having me, Allyson. What a pleasure.
Allyson Scammell (52:26):
And as always, thank you so much, dear listener, for tuning in. I appreciate you so much. And as always, until next time, may your soul guide the way.
Allyson Scammell (52:43):
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