She Grows with Allyson Scammell
Ep #50: Overcoming Imposter Syndrome with Dr. Amina Aitsi-Selmi
Allyson: Hey there. This is Allyson Scammell and today’s episode is on a topic that everyone, the soul guided entrepreneur has grown within their business at least once or twice. And that is imposter syndrome. Today I speak to Dr. Amina Aitsi-Selmi about how to transform imposter syndrome. And we decided a more fitting title was transforming the imposter phenomenon.
[00:00:28] And we’ll explain what that means. We also explore the big misperception about imposter syndrome that Dr. Amina sees in her work, the message imposter syndrome has for us from the collective consciousness. How cool is that? And Dr. Amina’s top strategy for transforming the imposter phenomenon so you can show up
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[00:01:43] Hey, there she grows nation. That is the name of this sisterhood of soul guided entrepreneurs. Today we’re talking to Dr. Amina about imposter syndrome. Dr. Amina is a born healer. She’s had a 15 plus year career as a doctor, scientist, and health policy advisor. Working with the UK department of health, world health organization and United Nations.
[00:02:09] And since 2016 as a transformational coach. Today she works with individuals and groups to free themselves of doubt and systemic limitation and helps them activate their true mission, elevate their career, and step into sacred leadership. I love that. My discussion with dr. Amina changed the whole way I view imposter syndrome.
[00:02:31] And may you receive as much from her wisdom as I did.
[00:02:39] I’m so excited to be talking about this very important topic. Imposter syndrome with Dr. AmIna. Welcome to the show.
[00:02:50] Amina: Thank you, Allyson, I’m really excited to be here.
[00:02:53] Allyson: Gosh. So I’m going to start by just digging right into the topic. And then I will ask you a little bit more about your background, but let’s start with how you define imposter syndrome.
[00:03:05] Amina: Right? I don’t really have a definition. that’s my own. I go with the one that kind of makes sense to me from the original research that was done. So, dr. , I can’t remember the full names, Pauline. I think they wrote the original paper and coined that term. and I believe they describe it as, a sense of being a fraud and of not being able to see your own achievements and successes.
[00:03:29] Allyson: Oh, that’s just a great definition. I think. Yeah, they, they were clearly quite passionate about this cause they did a big study on it.
[00:03:37] Allyson: I see it so often in my clients and certainly I’ve struggled with it myself in the past. So I would be, I’m just curious to know if there is any common misperception or misunderstanding you encounter in your work about imposter syndrome.
[00:03:51] Amina: Yeah. Yeah. That’s a great question. I think one of the things that I’m. Can get a sticking point, whether it was a syndrome, is that people think that there’s something wrong with that. So it’s another thing that I need to fix about myself. I have imposter syndrome. I even had a client who, doesn’t even call it imposter syndrome.
[00:04:09] So she specializes in an imposter syndrome, but she calls it imposter phenomenon. Because she doesn’t want it to be a medicalized or to be seen as, as a pathology, something that’s wrong with you. She’s called Dr. Terry Simkin and she’s great. If your audience is interested in looking up some of her work, I would say that it’s taking it as another floor.
[00:04:28] No, the problem is potentially not helpful. So yeah, that’s kind of what I, that’s what I would say about that. I would also say that it might just be a new archetype. Rather than something that’s wrong with you. It’s more of an archetype in our collective consciousness. That’s maybe from the end industrial era or something, the sense of fraudulence or phoniness or not being who other people think you are.
[00:04:50] It has a deeper layer to it possibly because we all could talk from ourselves. We’re cut off from nature. We’re cut off from our sort of natural. More natural instinctual or intuitive self let’s put it here, the more intuitive self. And so it makes sense in a way that we feel like a little phony or little cutoff or like we’re not really who we think we should.
[00:05:10] Yeah. So, yeah, that’s a, that’s another angle. I’m curious as to your views, but I would say to everyone, please don’t think that’s something wrong with you. This is something that a lot of people are feeling. It’s something that’s probably in our culture now in the collective consciousness and it has a message for us, which I’m happy to talk about.
[00:05:26] Allyson: Oh yeah. definitely want to hear about that. I never really thought about it that way before about it being part of the collective and part of us being cut off from our intuition, our higher self. But it makes sense to me, it makes complete sense. And especially as you describe it, that’s really fascinating.
[00:05:45] I also love the idea of not seeing it as a flaw and I want, I want to hear the message it has for us. So fascinating to me. As I heard you speaking, the other thing that came to me is when. I think, especially for the soul guided entrepreneurs who feel a calling, they feel a higher service to people in the planet.
[00:06:07] It’s that calling that drives them to heal, or coach, or paint, or write. And then in the process, at some point they have to sell it all themselves or their product or whatever, they have to shift into that selling. And I think it’s that selling often that makes them feel like the imposter more than say the writing or the drawing, for some feel, I think imposters in both areas, for a variety of reasons, but that’s another thing that came to me as you were talking, but we can get back to that.
[00:06:35] Before we do. I want to hear about this message.
[00:06:38] Amina: Yeah, sure. I just want to add also the distinction in response to what you said, and especially because your audiences is soul guided and spirit guided that I think it’s important then, or to be able to distinguish between the sort of ego repair work, where we’re kind of trying to give ourselves positive messages as an antidote, maybe to the imposter type messages that we hear in our heads.
[00:07:01]versus, going beyond ego transcendence, or, going back to what essence or awareness, rather than trying to repair the ego. So then we can move away from this, something wrong with me and I need to make it better. And I need to pump myself up, which can work, even in sales or in marketing or whatever, it can work.
[00:07:19]but it’s not the ultimate solution. So then we get to the deeper message, what is going on? and then we can look at something more specific. what are the beliefs, what are the narratives that are in our culture, in our, that become embedded in our collective consciousness that need to be seen clearly so that we can let go of them and move past them.
[00:07:41] Does that make sense?
[00:07:42] Allyson: Yeah, it totally does.
[00:07:44] Amina: I imagine your audience is completely, gets what I’m talking about.
[00:07:48] Allyson: well. Yes. And, yes. And I think it’s really fascinating to unpack these issues a little bit to get that deeper level understanding. So you said a minute ago, Amina, that we are collectively struggling or experiencing some form of imposter syndrome.
[00:08:05] What is the message, do you believe that imposter syndrome has, or the imposter phenomenon? I like that has for us.
[00:08:14] Amina: So let’s say the message, the negative aspect of it is you’re not good enough or your not as good as you think, or something like that. then the deeper layer or the positive aspect or what the, what it’s trying to remind us of, is to remember who we really are.
[00:08:32] So it’s not even a, verbal message. It’s more of a shift it’s calling us to pay attention. So when those negative thoughts arise of I’m not good enough, or this isn’t really me or I was all luck. I shouldn’t be here, when we start to, it requires awareness even just to realize that’s what you’re thinking.
[00:08:50] And that’s, what’s making you feel bad or feeling like an imposter then to see that as a signal. To remember the truth or to remember something truer and deeper and to see maybe a wider perspective that perhaps collectively over the industrial era or a certain period of time, we all became socialized.
[00:09:11] And we had to sort of cut ourselves off from certain aspects of ourselves to fit in, right. And to be efficient in society and to produce things and, see that wider perspective clearly. And so we can, I don’t know if it’s heal or just come back to something more wholesome, something healthier. that’s true to who we are as a collective species.
[00:09:35] Allyson: Yeah, that’s beautiful. So take us through how that would show up potentially with a soul guided entrepreneur who is saying she wants to launch a new service or new product, and she’s excited about it. And she’s like okay, I’m going to, I’m going to put this out to my audience, but then there’s this little voice in her head that says, you know what?
[00:09:56] You’re not good enough. This is a pretty big launch. This is a big idea. Who are you to think that you could launch this thing? You’re just not good enough.
[00:10:05] Amina: Yeah.
[00:10:06] Allyson: What, and she hears that voice. What does she do next? when she hears the voice?
[00:10:11] Amina: So maybe a simple tool is a sort of mindfulness tool that you can use.
[00:10:16] And, I recognize that fear. Yeah. A lot of the people I work with in my class have that fear is let’s call it a fear of visibility, maybe. I just want to acknowledge that recognizing that is already a step shedding light on the negative thoughts or the dark side of the shadow that’s coming up is already a big step.
[00:10:34] So well done. If you’re already noticing that you might congratulate yourself for noticing that already should shift a bit or release you from it a bit. The four R’s is a mindfulness tool, which is recognize, and you’ve already done that so, yay. Refrain! So, refrain from the habitual conditioning that you would normally use. So if you were, if you would just give up, then it just, don’t do that just now don’t give up just yet. If it means you overdo it and you decide no, I need to work a bit more on it, and then end up wasting more time trying to perfect this thing when it could have already gone then refrain from that.
[00:11:14] So the second option refrain from your usual response, then there’s relax. So take a deep breath and come back. Remember who you are. You are the calm, still core, within your awareness, your consciousness, let that be who you really are. And from there you can create, you can, your actions can flow more naturally.
[00:11:40] So relax, adding more tension is not going to help. So really take a deep breath. Maybe go for a walk, maybe have a cup of tea, give yourself some nurturing. And then the final R is resolve. So by that stage, something will occur to you. You might remember, I’m such a perfectionist and this is unnecessary, or you just find yourself pressing the button and it’s gone, your posted thing, or you send the email to launch to your list.
[00:12:10] So that’s the four R’s tool.
[00:12:12] Allyson: Nice. So we’ve got recognized, refrain, relax, and resolve. I love that. I want to ask another question about number three, relax. Cause you said a fifth R which you mentioned earlier that remember, relax and remember, do you have any additional ways in which you shift yourself into that remembering like really giving yourself that space to remember who you really are?
[00:12:37] Amina: I use a thing called the happy process. So the five questions, that question limiting beliefs. I was very inspired by Byron Katie. With that process, I call it the high achiever paradox transformation process. So is just really taking that thought, again, identifying the thought is the first step.
[00:12:56] That’s like a whole achievement on its side, and then taking some time to really see through that thought. You don’t have to replace it with a positive one. It’s not about affirmations. it’s about the mind seeing itself, or you’re seeing the game, seeing that thing that’s happening and then you can move past it, you see through it.
[00:13:17] And what happens is your energy shifts and relax. It’s something some tensions released and you’re relaxed, your physiology, your muscles, you, your body relaxed. So the mind sees through the assumption, the belief, the lie. And that creates a release of tension in the body. And so the whole system, which is a new karma state, that started with kind of questioning, identifying, and then really questioning the thought.
[00:13:54] Behind the imposter feeling
[00:13:56] Allyson: beautiful. And it sounds like the, an easy way, because as you mentioned, there’s a lot of different ways to get to this place, but an easy way to help you get to that awareness and that questioning and that identifying is starting with just relax. Deep breath.
[00:14:15] Amina: Yeah. I just want to add, you’re managing your energy.
[00:14:18] You are really managing your time fundamental physiology by breathing, right. You’re just by breathing, you’re resetting your physiology from a fight flight response, for example, to just, I’m just sitting here in front of my laptop. There’s no major threat to my life. So I’m
[00:14:37] Allyson: curious, generally speaking here, if you notice men and women, do we experience imposter phenomenon differently?
[00:14:47] Amina: Yeah, I work mostly, I’d say 70% of my clients are women, so I can’t say I have a balanced sample, so I don’t want to make any pronouncements on that. I know the research, especially the original research. It seemed to find that it was more common amongst women, but I believe there are other papers that find it’s the same.
[00:15:04] Allyson: It seems like there’s a lot of writing out there in the personal growth realm that suggests that women struggle with this more particularly of getting back to social, the social conditioning that women have received, and that men will, take on a new endeavor, like starting a business with greater confidence.
[00:15:20] And I was just wondering. is that true? All those articles we’re saying, do we need to question this? So I was just curious if you, you had an opinion,
[00:15:30] Amina: it depends on how you define it. If you define it as a sense of underestimating your abilities, then I’d say that the research supports that women tend to think.
[00:15:42] To underestimate themselves more than men. But if you see a, as a sort of a more fundamental thing, like a sense of not being good enough, because that’s implanted through socialization, then you could say that it’s just different forms. So women believe they’re not good enough. And so they over-give and they over care and they rescue and they minimize their talents and they’re quiet and they don’t speak up and they don’t want to be visible.
[00:16:06] And. For men, they think they’re not good enough. So they overcompensate and they show how amazing they are. They over talk there, they blow their own trumpet. And so it’s the root cause is the same, but it looks different. So it depends how you define imposter phenomenon or imposter syndrome.
[00:16:23] Allyson: Yeah, that’s really interesting. I can totally see that. Thank you for that. Okay. I want to also talk a little bit about, your background. I can relate to your background. We have some similarities happening in our experience and what led us to becoming coaches. We both became coaches in 2016, which is pretty cool.
[00:16:44] And before that, worked in government and intergovernment, and it looks like you worked, did you ever work in nonprofit?
[00:16:50] Amina: I did work for myself oneself for a few months.
[00:16:53] Allyson: Oh, that’s right. You said that. Yes. So, it has an incredibly amazing career that I talked about, in the introduction, and in healthcare, and as a health policy advisor, And so you were, before we started recording, you were talking about how, about some of the challenges that you experienced in your mid career change to a coach,
[00:17:16] So, and I really related to that. So, I was wondering, did you have feelings of imposter syndrome or imposter phenomenon when you did that Mid-career pivot.?
[00:17:26] Amina: Yeah. yeah. Of course. And I think we, yeah, the metaphor of the ladder, is what came up in our pre conversation. So, if we pick that up again, then, you’re climbing this ladder and I was, I felt, I was kind of, I thought it was at the top of this ladder.
[00:17:39] And then I realized, I think I want to climb another ladder. And so then you have to decide, are you going to straight onto some kind of other ladder, the same level and keep going up, or are you going to jump and fall flat and have to start again from the bottom? Or is there some other version? I think you use this metaphor of how ladders can crisscross.
[00:17:59]so that might be the more accurate metaphor if you’re jumping. From one career to another, but it definitely felt at times, even deliberately at times, I thought I don’t want to be on this ladder anymore, that I’m done with that letter, a I’m going to climb, I’m going to be on this other ladder now, and then you feel like, okay, you’re going to have to start again from scratch, but the truth is, I’m sure, your audience will identify with us, especially those who are further along, that you bring so much across, from one ladder to another.
[00:18:31] So you’re never really starting from scratch, but of course, imposter phenomenon will interfere. if you pick up or if you pick up that imposter narrative, then you won’t see that. So it’s, it’s helpful to spend some time thinking, what am I bringing over from one ladder to another? And if use your tools or four R’s or whatever, just to make sure that impostor.
[00:18:53] Thoughts to interfere. You’ll find you have got a treasure trove of career wealth or career capital, skills, knowledge experience, as well as sort of innate talent that you’re bringing over. So you’re never really starting from scratch and that’s something I learned eventually.
[00:19:10] Allyson: Yes, that is so great.
[00:19:12] I love the ladder metaphor and I relate to it so much. And I definitely felt like when I went from, international development and humanitarian relief to coaching, I really thought like it was a 180 and I was completely starting from scratch. And one of the biggest things I struggled with and I ended.
[00:19:31] I got to the point in that old career that I was very unhappy and I realized that I was sort of doing everything for status and a paycheck, and I felt very hollow on the inside. So when I moved over to coaching, I felt I definitely didn’t have a paycheck. I wasn’t earning really any money when I first started coaching.
[00:19:48] And I felt like I had lost my status. And I think that really triggered that I’m not good enough. I don’t have status anymore. And that was something I really struggled with for a long time.
[00:19:58] Amina: Yeah, but yeah, it’s a perception, right? It’s not what is, what a status, like it’s made up in our heads, but yeah, I can relate to that, especially cause coach is such a sort of a nebulous thing.
[00:20:12] Like what is it? Yeah. So that adds a bit more of a challenge.
[00:20:17] Allyson: Yes, absolutely. So let’s just talk about that for a second, because I feel like it, my clients struggle with it too. Just that how imposter syndrome is related to status and that, my status isn’t good enough, but as you’re right, it’s just perception, right?
[00:20:34]so what if a listener has just, did a mid career pivot and now they were, they were doing something in corporate and they had a really cool VP of something title. And now they’re like writer and they just have a hard time showing up as a writer because they just feel like that’s not good enough.
[00:20:53] Amina: Yeah. Yeah, use your four R’s and question that thought. That’s the bottom line. you can just hang out with people who are on the similar path. You can support each other, encourage each other, do all that stuff, but ultimately the, to get to the root cause, use your mindfulness and question the thoughts.
[00:21:12] It’s the same thing, right? I’m not good enough. And then you can attach anything you want to it. I’m not a good enough tree, right? No, it doesn’t happen. It is so ridiculous. When you think about it, how can you be not and not good enough tree? although I’m sure, if you’ve got really good imposter syndrome, you can find a ways of saying, yeah, it’s true.
[00:21:29] There are some trees that aren’t good enough. I’m not good enough oxygen. I’m not a good enough oxygen molecule. It just doesn’t make sense, but that belief can attach itself to anything.
[00:21:39]Allyson: that’s a great way to look at it. One thing that helped me too, was there was a coach that I was following when I first started and she had a pretty good following then and she’s grown hugely since then.
[00:21:51] So she’s a pretty big coach now, Susan Hyatt, back when I first became a coach, she was much smaller than she is now. She grew fast and I think one of the reasons she’s grown so fast and back at the time, When I first became a coach, I thought, it’s not the problem is the words, life coach it’s like you said, coach, it’s too nebulous.
[00:22:10] It’s not snappy enough. So I was trying to find all these very catchy, snappy ways to describe the type of coach I was and I just couldn’t wasn’t landing. And then I noticed that she would say I’m a life coach with so much confidence. And so much conviction. And I was just like, yeah. And she made it sound like she was, who is the CEO of a fortune 500 company with that much confidence.
[00:22:36] And that’s how her audience received it. She’s now, working towards a eight figure business growing very quickly. And it’s been quite extraordinary to watch her growth because I think one of her superpowers is her confidence. And I realized that the words just don’t matter. The words just don’t matter, And so, the. The exercise in there, or the trick, I think is maybe a little thing to try is to find someone who’s just, you feel is a couple steps ahead of you, but in a peer. So in your, in the appear within your, whatever it is you sell and who is a couple of steps ahead of you, but you see them showing up with confidence.
[00:23:15] And I think sometimes that’s it’s, there’s something inspiring about it. And it’s kind of, that gets to that point. if they can do it, I can do it!
[00:23:22] Amina: yeah. I think that’s much more sensible to work with people who are, you can, they can relate to you. You can relate to them.
[00:23:28] They understand what you’re going through. You can sort of pick up things without thinking well, that’s way too far. So, absolutely
[00:23:35] Allyson: nice. So, another question I had for you is have you identified any ways in which imposter syndrome holds us back and we don’t even realize it?
[00:23:45]Amina: that’s most of the time that’s what’s happening at the time.
[00:23:48] That not good enough feeling is so rooted. It’s what’s happening most of the time, I would say.
[00:23:54] Allyson: Yeah. So it’s basically just, when we have that, I’m not good enough. It kind of, it’s not like it just shows up when we’re gonna speak before our audience, do say a Facebook live or something. It’s just it’s
[00:24:07]Amina: it might intensify, if it’s a new situation, if it’s a new project, if it’s someone you really admire and you meet, of course, it’s going to, there’s more intensity though.
[00:24:19] But it, it can show up in, like I was talking to someone the other day. It’s just little things like, Oh, I think I want a car. I think I’d like this kind of, I want a cup of tea, but I know I could have a coffee as well. If you want a cup of tea, you want a cup of tea, but there’s a little bit of imposter syndrome going on.
[00:24:35] They’re thinking, maybe I don’t deserve to have my choice on it. And so I should just, play it be smooth, be cool. Just I’ll have whatever. I have no nasal once a month. So that’s a more subtle form. And then I guess then you’re getting into, what is imposter syndrome? Is it really a thing or is it just some kind of facet of our culture that we’re manifestation and all psyche of something that’s going on in the socialization, in our culture.
[00:25:02] And, so. I would say the more interesting thing is what you’re not aware of. That’s why you have to have your practices. That’s, that’s why there’s a part, it’s a commitment that do you want to be someone who’s constantly, is committed to awareness and to liberating themselves from.
[00:25:21] Unhelpful conditioning, which is a day to day lifelong thing. It’s not a one off thing. So the more interesting is the bits you’re not seeing that can be mirrored to you through a coach or mentor, or really, or that sort of aware,
[00:25:35]Allyson: I think, I think when I thought of imposter syndrome before this conversation, I thought, yeah.
[00:25:40] Getting back to the definition you offered at the beginning, that made a lot of sense to me, this feeling of being a fraud, this feeling of, not, Being able to see the gifts that you have to give. But what I find fascinating is how it’s hard, at least how I’m perceiving it, how it’s tied to self worth.
[00:25:58] That’s just so much deeper than being a fraud.
[00:26:01] Amina: Again, I think I’d make a distinction between sorts of ego repair work and ego transcendence work. Ego repair is just kind of getting a bit of a balance like cutting, the sort of brunt of self-loathing and anxiety attack and create self criticism and trying to replace them with positive messages, just so you can get a bit of a handle on stuff versus ego transcendence, which is what are we beyond any kind of fault or belief, whether it’s positive or negative.
[00:26:32] Right. What are we? What’s our natural basic goodness. So it’s not, You can call it self worth, but with self worth is still some kind of self, right? There’s an object subject and an object. There’s a, there’s something. And there’s something that’s being that’s worthy. Whereas that true self is just awareness.
[00:26:52] Consciousness is just kind of basic natural energy or something. That’s connected to everything else and the universe. So it’s less discreet. It’s not separate. It’s not a separate thing that needs to be built up. It’s not, and again, moving away from this thing, there’s a fraud thing that needs to be repaired, moving beyond that, into your natural, basic goodness.
[00:27:17] There’s no word for it. that’s all language rights in your, you speak several languages. So, we’re just subject.
[00:27:23]Allyson: I would tend to call that soul or higher self or. those are the words that resonate with me, but I, something I often say is find that word that resonates with you did define that thing.
[00:27:33] That is,
[00:27:34] Amina: yeah. There’s something even beyond, it depends again how you define it. If you define higher self or soul as sort of universal consciousness, then I’d say that’s the ground of everything. But I think that maybe a layer, right. Between sort of consciousness, that’s completely neutral sort of thing.
[00:27:51]there’s no good or bad. ego where there’s total judgment and separation and a distinction between good and bad or a separate kind of classification. and then something in between that I might call your unique essence or your soul, or it’s I’m the interface between this sort of.
[00:28:11] Consciousness, this wordless, shapeless objectless formless and the hardest or material psychology and sort of mind, body sort of system. And if we operate from soul or essence or higher self life is much smoother in a way as more flow is more creative. There’s more sort of it, the qualities of beauty of truth of love.
[00:28:36] Yeah. It’s that subtle interface. you can be a bit more on the ego side or a bit more of the consciousness side. And so that’s how I would consider that. But again, I would say I would personally, I would distinguish between even that, which starts to be a form of some kind and completely formless kind of awareness.
[00:28:58] It doesn’t require anything from you complete as it is
[00:29:01] Allyson: Yes. Yes. Yes. So, now, would you be able to, leave our listeners with a challenge,
[00:29:09] Amina: a challenge? Oh, I hadn’t thought of, I hadn’t thought of anything. So this is completely improvised. it’s an exercise I learned from Lisa Nicole, or, when you’re just kind of browsing through and you come across something, but I find it really helpful.
[00:29:22] You just write down, you really inventory, all of your current active negative beliefs. So write them all down and you write them in pencil. Like I’m not good enough, or I don’t have the skills. I’m not an expert who would listen to me. People are going to hate this. People are going to laugh at anything. And I think it’s ridiculous.
[00:29:41] All of it, write it all down and then sit down and take each one and, have a cup of tea with each one of those. And take you through the process. Is it true? Oh, by the way, I’m happy to share it. The happy process, if people, if your audience wants it. So I can send you a link that they can use with each of these beliefs, just to ask these five questions and just put each one through and release themselves from it, just by asking the five questions and do it, I would agree under a tree or somewhere where you feel held.
[00:30:13]by something bigger and then write what comes out in pen. And the idea is that you can erase the pencil and just keep the one that’s written in pen. really, go for it, write them all down. You’ll feel emotional because you’ll feel the emotions of those thoughts. and that’s a good sign because it means you’re really digging deep and be patient and just go through it.
[00:30:35] I kept the ones that written in pencil, because it reminds me of the original one, kind of also kind of preventive. Cause you can see the original it’s like the skull reminds you. so I’ve kept them both the pencil and the pen version.
[00:30:48] Allyson: Beautiful. What a great challenge. I love the idea of having a cup of tea with them.
[00:30:54] And I also love the idea of sitting under a tree or getting out, doing it out in nature. That is really powerful. Love it. So please tell us how can our listeners find you and connect and learn more about you and your work?
[00:31:07] Amina: Yeah, thank you. So they can go to Dr Amina dot com, which is my website and find everything.
[00:31:12]they might want to find there that there are links there to social media channels, LinkedIn and Facebook, and mostly right.
[00:31:19] Allyson: Fantastic. And that link will be in the show notes and Dr. Amina, I want to thank you so much for being on the show and giving us, to me, I found to be a different and super profound and impactful view of how to see a imposter syndrome and how to.
[00:31:38] Shift and transform into something better and truer. So I’m really grateful for you taking the time to share your wisdom with us.
[00:31:46] Amina: Thank you, Allyson. It was a pleasure.
[00:31:48] Allyson: I want to thank you so much for listening. And if you’re loving this episode, go ahead and hit subscribe wherever it is you listen, and I’d be super grateful for a rating and review.
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