She Grows with Allyson Scammell
Ep #26: Human Design as a “Game Changer’ in Your Business with Michelle Wolff
Allyson Scammell: Well. Hello there. This is Allyson Scammell and I am talking to you today about a literal game changer. I don’t use the words game changer lightly. I know those words are overused, but I’m here to tell you human design was an actual game changer in my business. And today I speak with a human design expert, Michelle Wolf, about how to use our
[00:00:26] Human design type in our sales and marketing approaches in a way that translates to a ton of results on way less effort. We end on a challenge that will have you tuning into your own human design type immediately. So stick with us until the end. Welcome to She Grows, a podcast for soul guided women entrepreneurs.
[00:00:51] Ready to grow their income, impact and inspiration. Each week we’re going to explore how to align to the soul of your business and grow it from there. I’m your host, Allyson Scammell. Let’s get growing.
[00:01:12] Allyson Scammell: Hey there She Grows Nation. That is the name of this sisterhood of soul guided entrepreneurs. At She Grows Nation, your heart is CEO and you’re using your divine guidance system to produce more wealth and serve more people. Today’s episode is a veritable treasure trove of information about one of the most fascinating fields of study I’ve stumbled upon in a long time.
[00:01:38] I characterize my relationship to human design as love at first sight. I knew I wanted to do a podcast episode on it and I knew the exact person to interview. Michelle Wolf is a certified human design specialist and a 20 plus year therapist turned coach. She helps overwhelmed entrepreneurs and healers stop procrastinating, love their bodies and get shit done.
[00:02:02] Well, I liked that she teaches with a combination of warmth, humor, honesty, and a bit of salty language. Her mission is to help people stay grounded in their bodies so they can access their personal power and freedom of choice at all times. I really, really learned so much talking to Michelle, and I hope you receive as much from her wisdom as I did.
[00:02:28] So I am really beyond excited for today’s topic. I’m calling it a game changer. That’s human design, and I’m really speaking from firsthand experience that human design has just recently been a huge game changer in my life, and I knew I wanted to speak to Michelle Wolf, human design expert about it.
[00:02:50] Michelle, thank you so much for making the time to be here.
[00:02:54] Michelle Wolff: Thank you for having me.
[00:02:55] Allyson Scammell: Oh my gosh, I’m so excited. So tell us, let’s just get right to it. What is human design? Cause you know, I just recently kind of discovered it in a real way. And why should spiritual entrepreneurs care about it?
[00:03:11] Michelle Wolff: Oh my gosh.
[00:03:15] It’s hard to know where to start, right? Because it’s such a complex system and also it’s so simple. But human design took astrology and um. Uh, I was going to say numerology, but that’s not correct. Astrology and the Kabbalah and quantum physics and the eating and smashed them all together. And the synergy of all those systems created what we’re, what we call human design.
[00:03:45] And what it is, is a, I think of it is as a blueprint. For your life. And I’m, I’m really skeptical and I never paid attention to astrology. My mom was really into it, and I was like, yeah, yeah. It’s kind of a cool overview, but it really doesn’t help me live my daily life. And if things don’t help me live my daily life and help me help my clients live their best life, I don’t really care about them.
[00:04:13] So. I was skeptical. I don’t even remember how I came across it. I think I saw it, mentioned a couple of places, went and Googled it and then fell long and far and hard down this rabbit hole of just amazement, but it, so I tested it out and it works. And it worked for every client I tried it with. And every time it worked I got more excited.
[00:04:42] Um. So it tells you where the planets and all the things were 88 days before you were born. And then it takes that same snapshot of planetary movement at the time of your birth. So in human design, the focus is on the body, and we have it reversed. We have our focus on the mind, and the biggest.
[00:05:07] Foundational piece of human design is the body is supposed to be in the lead. It’s the body’s life. The body is temporary. It belongs to this planet. We have our soul that goes on forever and is open to the cosmos. But, uh, the way I describe it is if you go to a buffet. You don’t play it and to eat all the food, like you might really want to eat all the food, but you physically can’t do it.
[00:05:36] So if you’ll let your mind will be like letting all the food in, your body’s like, no, let’s just eat a salad and the green beans and. Maybe a dessert. If we let our body make decisions, everything starts to click and fall into place, and all the things we’d been told about law of attraction actually start to work.
[00:05:58] Um, so Y soul guided women entrepreneurs should care about it, is that it changes everything. My business was crashing and burning and getting worse and worse and worse. And I was just falling into despair because I knew my work was good. Um, and I could not get clients. And the harder I tried, the worse it got.
[00:06:21] And I just kept asking all these questions like, well, is my work crap? Like, what’s going on here? Um, and then I found human design and I’m a projector. And when I read about that, and I. Realize everything I was doing was the exact opposite of what projectors should do. Um, everything we’re taught about marketing actually destroys our business.
[00:06:45] Um, so when I flipped it, it started working, and so at the end of 2018 I was going to call it quits and go back. Just social work. Um, and I didn’t, I, I thought, well, can I give it one more year? And it got better and better and better. And this year it looks like it’s going to be the best year ever. So we’re having to make decisions about when to post and what to post and which programs.
[00:07:12] To create and which ones to let go. And our mind is open like a satellite dish to receiving all the things all the time. And just because we had a great idea for a course or an offering, our program, it doesn’t mean it’s the correct one for us. I wasted an enormous amount of time. Receiving ideas or what we would call downloads and thinking that just because I had received them, that it was meant for me to do and it was
[00:07:45] Allyson Scammell: so amazing.
[00:07:47] Michelle Wolff: Save time, be efficient. You have 10 ideas. Go through your body, let your body pick which one to pursue. And I just tell people, test it out for yourself. Try it. It does work.
[00:08:00] Allyson Scammell: Oh my gosh, it’s so works. I am also a projector, Michelle, and we’re going to get into what that means. But I had a very similar story to you where I launches were killing me
[00:08:14] Michelle Wolff: and my,
[00:08:15] Allyson Scammell: yeah, right, right.
[00:08:17] And my thought was all I have to do is work harder and um, I will get there. And it just got to the point where I was literally just like. Um, you know, talking about the body, my body was just on complete empty, like really on fumes after every launch. And I thought, I just, I knew in my heart that I was, I was still on the right path, but I was just like, you know, like kind of WTF, why is this so hard for me?
[00:08:45] Um, so let’s get into this. We projectors, um, what we were doing wrong before. So tell us, um. Uh, why don’t you tell us a little bit about each design type?
[00:08:56] Michelle Wolff: There’s five types, and, uh, there’s manifestors, generators. Manifesting generators, projectors, and reflectors, and, uh, generators are the largest percentage of the population.
[00:09:11] Generators and manifesting generators combined make up about 70%. Um, projectors are very small, like less than 3% reflectors, less than 1%. And those percentages. Come from, and of course now I’m going to forget what the percentage of manifestors is, but if you want to edit the numbers, I’m sure you can figure it out.
[00:09:32] But the, those stats come from the charts that have been done and held in the Jovian archives is where those percentages come from.
[00:09:43] Allyson Scammell: Sony projectors were less than 3%
[00:09:46] Michelle Wolff: Michelle. Yeah, it’s really small. Wow. Although founder said we are super as better, all
[00:09:56] the founders said that, you know, the world was created by manifestors. Manifestors. Move fast. They receive and they can act. They’re the only type that can use our traditional marketing. If they give them an idea, they can run with it, and they should. Um, and they’re supposed to let everybody know what they’re doing, but they’re not supposed to be told what to do or restricted.
[00:10:22] Um, and we’re moving from a manifestor. World to a projector world where we’re going to be more guided in receiving information from the environment and using that and more. It feels to me more like co-creating rather than I receive an inspiration and then I go create it. So manifestors, if you think of a movie set, manifestors are the idea people.
[00:10:50] Hey, let’s make a movie about airplanes and stuff or whatever. Um, so they have the idea, but they aren’t the doers. So they’re always coming up with ideas. And a lot of times it’s just an idea. It doesn’t go anywhere, or they started and somebody else finishes it. They’re not the finisher. So generators would be, if, so, manifestors come up with the idea.
[00:11:14] Generators would be the actors in the film crew and the people doing the idea, putting the idea into manifest reality. Manifesting generators can go through that. They do the same thing. They come up with ideas. They, they can work really hard, but they’re streamliners so their efficiency. Creators and they also start a lot of projects and don’t finish them.
[00:11:38] I’ve had manifesting generators cry in their first session because they have full permission to start 10 projects and only finished two. That’s how they’re supposed to be. They’re exploring and creating and they . They, excuse me, they skip steps, but in the skipping of the steps, they get judged for it, but in the skipping of the steps, they create efficiency.
[00:12:03] They pull out the tendencies. Yeah. So then projectors are the director, like we’re bossy and telling everybody what to do.
[00:12:12] Allyson Scammell: My husband would projected and love
[00:12:17] Michelle Wolff: that dance and feel the whole thing. We’re tuned into the collective. Um, a lot of times we are doing work. Unconsciously on with the collective energies of the whole world.
[00:12:30] Um, and that’s invisible work, so that, you know, that can lead to a lot of judgment about being lazy, uh, when we need a lot of rest. But. The truth is we’re always working in some fashion so projectors can see the big picture and are meant to guide, uh, generators and manifesting generators. Manifestors don’t need guides, and in fact, don’t even try.
[00:12:54] That’s likely to get you snapped at if you tell them what to do. That’s not what they’re here for. But generators and generators and manifesting generators, we can see that they’re heading for a cliff. Um, because we have that big picture view, and we can guide them to be efficient and effective and support them and do things like that.
[00:13:15] And then reflectors are the teeniest weeniest. Of the population, and I actually don’t personally have any on my, in my client base, but, um, they have no defined center, so they would be the one letting you know how the whole project is going. They would be on the set and they would feel. The totality of the project and be able to tell you there’s something a little off here or there something off there.
[00:13:45] They would, they’re like the Canary in the coal mine, so to speak.
[00:13:48] Allyson Scammell: So Michelle, this is so fascinating, and I love the. Metaphor of the movie set. It just puts it all into perfect perspective. And I really just, to me, when I thought of the title for this episode, the words that came to me was really game changer.
[00:14:05] I know those words are sort of used a lot now and maybe sound a little trite and I really mean game changer. When you get to know, like you said to me. Sorry. You just said that, you know, projectors are sometimes known as lazy. Well, tell me where I’m wrong, but projectors are basically, um, work optimally for about four hours a day.
[00:14:26] Is that about right?
[00:14:28] Michelle Wolff: That’s about right. Yeah. I’m good for about three or four hours and then I need a big long break and then sometimes I can do another round, but about four hours a day is really good for me. Yeah.
[00:14:40] Allyson Scammell: And see, I, um, am, I’ve always been an overworker. I had workaholic parents, you know, that whole thing and just like super exhausted all the time from overworking.
[00:14:49] And the most interesting thing, like one of the biggest gifts that have come to me from the pandemic is that I have much less hours of childcare a day. So I’m only now working about four hours a day. And from an energetics perspective, I have never felt better.
[00:15:06] Michelle Wolff: Yeah.
[00:15:07] Allyson Scammell: Yeah. Cause it was like a forcing function.
[00:15:09] Michelle Wolff: Right, right.
[00:15:10] Allyson Scammell: Yeah.
[00:15:11] Michelle Wolff: And you’re right, that game changer is like over done, but I can’t, I haven’t been able to find, I hate even using the word right or the phrase, but I can’t find anything else to explain how transformative it is. Like when you have a business that is, you’re about to close the door on. And then you find a system and start applying it.
[00:15:33] And within 60 days, things start to turn around in tangible, visible ways. Not that I was just feeling better, but I was actually getting results. Um, it’s hard not to call that a game changer. Um, so what you made, uh, a good, uh, point there with. Having workaholic parents and working yourself to death. And I burnt out in big ways multiple times.
[00:15:58] And what that is, human design calls, conditioning, we might call it stories or limiting beliefs or social conditioning, but it’s the conditioned response and projectors and reflectors are really vulnerable to it. Because in human design, there are nine chakras, nine energy centers instead of seven. If they’re open, they act like sponges that sponge up energy and amplify it.
[00:16:25] So we get conditioned in those open centers. So if we have workaholic parents or were raised in. Countries that have a really pretty harsh work ethic for everyone. Um, we really, really suffer from that. And so we are taught, we are told if you’re a good person, you work yourself. You work hard. If it’s not working, you work even harder.
[00:16:49] You stay up all night, you bang your head on the website, you throw your computer out the window, but you work, work, work, work, work. And that’s death to a projector. I, I firmly believe, like I have clients who have autoimmune type symptoms that get better when they start living their design because they’re not in resistance and they’re not working their body in ways it’s not meant to be worked.
[00:17:14] So the conditioning process is then when you get into like deconstructing your stories and you do some Byron Katie work, or you do some mindset. Things and you train yourself like, yes, I was raised that way and now if I don’t work, I have guilt. I feel lazy. I have all these judgment thoughts, but you have to train yourself out of it is that is what I was taught.
[00:17:36] That doesn’t mean it’s correct. It’s what my parents did and they did a good job. They did the best they knew how to do, and they were trying to train me to be, you know, successful. But it doesn’t work for my type. So there’s that. That’s where coaching and therapy and stuff like that can be helpful is to continue to remind, you know, yes, your stomach is hurting because you’re going to go take the afternoon off, but it’s hurting because there’s a condition to response there and that’s fixable.
[00:18:09] Allyson Scammell: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I love it. So, Michelle, let’s talk about the, um, decision making strategies. Can you explain the single most effective decision making strategy for each type?
[00:18:21] Michelle Wolff: Yes. The, and this is what is the mechanics of the, how you change the game is when you make decisions, you go to the body. Your mind always has stuff to say about it, but you let it chatter, chatter in the background and you follow your body’s intuition.
[00:18:40] So this is counterintuitive again to what we’ve been taught. Our body gives us the signal, and then our mind goes, well, yeah, but, and, but mom said, and, but your boss. This and that, blah, blah, blah. That’s okay. Your mind’s always going to have that. Um, even when you’re deconditioning and you get on the other side of it, your mind’s still going to be, yeah, but what if we get in trouble where, you know, what if we get fired?
[00:19:03] Or what if this and that? But it’s, I’m telling you, if he just will trust your body’s response to the question, that is when you start to see changes. So there’s seven different, so there’s five types. Then there are seven types and have what is called your authority, their strategy and authority, but authorities even more important, I think, than strategy sometimes.
[00:19:27] But. The authority.
[00:19:29] Allyson Scammell: Tell us about that.
[00:19:30] Michelle Wolff: How you make the decision. Yeah. So you have decisions to make. If you’re running your own business, who do you hire? Do you hire, uh, which platform is best for you? Your body can tell you even that, like should you spend time on Facebook or Instagram? Each of those systems has an energy field of its own.
[00:19:50] Some people feel great on Instagram. Some people feel great on Facebook, and you don’t have to be like, I’ve got to be on Facebook and Twitter and Pinterest and LinkedIn. You just ask your body, here’s the range of options. Here’s the buffet. Should I eat the green beans or the salad? Everybody will tell you, and then that’s the platform you focus on and just watch what happens.
[00:20:12] So there’s sacral authority, which is the sacral chakra, which is a yes, no. System, people with the sacral defined meaning of that. When you look at your chart, it’s colored in, um, and defined to means you always have access to those characteristics in that center. Um, simple. Yes, no questions. Some people’s bodies lean forward, some lean away.
[00:20:37] You can use muscle testing or pendulums. Um, you’re asking, you can record questions into a voice recorder and play them back and you’re looking for that. Quick, yes. Quick, no. Or a . It’s a kind of a, comes from the gut. My, I have twin granddaughters who are generators and they are all the time, so, uh, so they’re sacral.
[00:21:00] Then there’s the emotional solar plexus, which is, uh, the emotional center of the body, and except for fear, fears over in the spleen, but that one is. Emotional waves that are being produced, emotional energy that are constantly in motion. What I tell people is if you have emotional definition, you are not the boat on the ocean.
[00:21:25] You are the ocean. You’re surging and moving and things are constantly in motion, and so you don’t want to make decisions with that system until you’re feeling pretty calm. You’re not super excited about the topic. You’re not. Super down about it. Um, so there’s a up-down kind of wave, and it varies. He’s for people, and I tell people, track your emotions for 60 days, 30 to 60 days, twice a day.
[00:21:52] Just write down happy face, neutral face, sad face. It doesn’t have to be complicated, but after about 60 days is best. But if you can get people to 30 days, you can see that you have a predictable up and down cycle. It might be fast or it might be really slow. But when you see your cycle and you get in tune with your emotions, which we have a lot of conditioning about in our society, right?
[00:22:17] Don’t feel, don’t be noisy, don’t express, don’t be mad, don’t be sad. Um, so you have to work through a lot of that and understand that when you’re in a neutral place, you’re going to get clear decisions and, uh, you can back it up with your sacred life. You have a sacred, defined, safe girl. But. Um, so then there’s a, that’s that one too.
[00:22:41] Neutral space. Because if you’re super high, people jump into projects and then they’re like, Oh, no. How did I, why did I sign up for this? Or if they’re down in the low swing, then they’re like, eh, nothing’s interesting. So you can miss opportunities then cause nothing’s interesting in that state. So you want to wait for that.
[00:23:01] Uh, it says, uh, you know, wait 24 hours. At least there’s no truth in the moment. Whatever your first impulse is in the moment is not accurate. For that time or money for that authority. Um, and then there’s splenic authority, which is very instant, is the spleen has to do with the immune system and time, and there is truth in the now for the spleen.
[00:23:22] So people generally get that intuitive hit of, yes. This is right. No, it’s wrong. And because it’s so fast, then the mind can get in and go, uh, I don’t know. And blah, blah, blah. And so it can get covered up. But for splenic projectors, if they’ll, they look back, they’ll go, I knew it the second I stepped into that building, I knew it.
[00:23:45] The second I met that person. Um, and I talked myself out of it. So
[00:23:50] Allyson Scammell: I am a spleen in authority. Yeah.
[00:23:53] Michelle Wolff: My daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she’s pretty good. But, uh, because she was raised with, you know, she was an only child. She pretty much got to do whatever she wanted, but even her mind will, you know, talk, talk her out of stuff, and then she’s so angry later because she knew.
[00:24:12] You guys know, you know, and you’d know, don’t know how, you know, but you know.
[00:24:18] Allyson Scammell: Well, I see it with my husband where I’m just like, you know, yes. No. And he’s like, did you research that? How long did you research that? How many sites did you go to? And I’m like, no. Research, no sites. I just, it’s just a yes. Right.
[00:24:32] And so sometimes I have to sort of, um, you know, I, what’s the word?
[00:24:40] Michelle Wolff: Um. Justify.
[00:24:41] Allyson Scammell: Well, I guess
[00:24:46] what I’m trying to say, Michelle, is that I, um, kind of make up research that I did that I never did. You
[00:24:52] Michelle Wolff: know, fudge a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Consumer reports says this is the best laundry.
[00:25:02] Yeah. And so you can see how conditioning tangles up every one of these. Because the mind is like, well, you should go look at consumer reports, or you should check the reviews on home Depot. If you’re buying a washer or something, you know, like, you should waste all your time researching something that you already know.
[00:25:22] So it saves all that time. Uh, I just talked to somebody who. Was buying a house and I was saying they were splitting. They can. I was saying it like if you’re buying a house, you step into the house, you’re going to know immediately if it’s for you or not. And she did. She had just bought a house. She knew it was the right one, and she didn’t look at any of the others.
[00:25:44] So it does. So, yeah. So those are things you can test, right? All of these, you can start to test that. Do I want to wear red or black today? Do I want to eat a salad or a sandwich? You can start to test it on these little tiny things. And go with it. If your body says eat cheese case, a D is for two weeks, which mine did, and completely baffled me, who does that?
[00:26:07] If you’re not too, you know, if you’re not a three year old, you generally don’t eat like case. A V is every day for two weeks straight, and I did and it broke something loose and so every time I trust it, it works. The challenge is getting past the conditioning to trust it. Uh, so, uh, ego is another one. Ego authority.
[00:26:32] That’s usually in manifestors. Um, they need to go where they need to go. It’s another one where you just know a self projected is one that needs to talk it out until they find the knowing. So there’s two. That need to do that self projected and mental authority. And these are usually found in projectors.
[00:26:56] Uh, not always, but generally. And both of those need to talk it out. The act of hearing your own voice and moving energy through the throat leads you to the knowing. So you’re still looking for the click. Um, and I have someone in my human design group who figured out that she could push against the air.
[00:27:19] She could think about something and if she pushed her hand forward, she’ll feel resistance for no and at ease for a yes as she’s talking and she’s is a self projected projector. Um, and then mental authority needs to talk it out until they feel the click and find the rightness, which will be different.
[00:27:41] Um, sometimes, uh, mental is called environmental because you’re taking in the energy of your environment and feeling into things. And then reflectors, uh, our lunar authority, and that’s a 28 day cycle. They need to really feel things. And these are for major decisions. So moving. Taking a job or changing careers.
[00:28:05] Um, those kinds of things needed. Projectors need to take their time and reflectors need the most time to make decisions. So it’s, that’s not what we’re taught, right? We’ve taught the pro and con list, research all the websites and, and make a decision really quickly. But except for manifestors, everybody else needs to wait.
[00:28:30] And that’s right. It’s a practice. I have to learn. Learning to wait to make those decisions and the waiting is the strategy. So there’s tight strategy and authority. Manifestor strategy is you get an idea, go with it. Just let people know what you’re doing. So they don’t beat you up when you skipped dinner because you got a cool idea about something.
[00:28:52] Uh, generators need to wait, uh, hold the energy in their field and wait for. Signs, and, uh, it’s basically waiting for the reticular activating system of the brain to kick in and let them, you know, start taking your eyes to the, I want to buy a new car. I want a new Subaru. All of a sudden you’re seeing Subaru’s everywhere that lets you know, you’ve thought about it long enough that your brain is in gear and it’s showing them to you and then doesn’t still doesn’t mean it’s correct.
[00:29:23] You consult your body. To say now by the Subaru, or am I seeing Jaguars? Do I want to Jaguar? You know this, when you see the signs, it’s only the something to respond to. Uh, so wait to respond is the strategy. And for manifesting generators, it’s wait to respond and then inform. Wait for those holding your energy, wait to stay, see the signs, ask your authority, and then when you’re ready to go, tell everybody who would be impacted by your decision.
[00:30:01] So your family, your coworkers, anybody who’s gonna feel the effects of your decision. Uh, projectors is wait to be invited in. This is a really tough one because it sounds like, and I actually like was pretty sad for a couple of months after I kind of dragged it on for a long time. First of all, cause I felt like I’d wasted my whole life.
[00:30:24] And then it was like, what is she invited? How am I going to build a business doing that? Um, and it’s, it’s is wait to be invited for big things. So for example, your podcast requests. You reached out to me for that when I stopped reaching out in my energy, trying to make things happen. Like, cause you know, you take a business course and they’re like, get on podcast, contact all the podcasters, which I was doing and it didn’t work.
[00:30:53] And when I was like, okay, I’m going to focus on being a happy little projector. And then the invitation start coming to you.
[00:31:02] Allyson Scammell: Yes. And you know, interestingly Michelle, there’s like a long you, you may or may not know this, but I have a long string of connection to you, even though this is the first time you and I have ever gone voice direct with like, you’re a Martha Beck certified
[00:31:15] Michelle Wolff: coach, yet I’m not.
[00:31:16] But I, I, I never went through the program, but I, uh, started reading her books when expecting Adam came out and, uh, I was on her scope. For Oh, like a year and a half and doing live streams every day. And I use a lot of her books and I reference her a lot, and I went to one of her retreats in Utah, so I’m kind of in that circle
[00:31:41] Allyson Scammell: of people.
[00:31:43] Michelle Wolff: Yeah,
[00:31:44] Allyson Scammell: yeah. We have a lot of connection. Martha Beck connections and comment. I just noticed on Facebook, but it’s, so, I think I first saw you on the B school woo crew
[00:31:54] Michelle Wolff: that closed
[00:31:55] Allyson Scammell: Facebook group. Is that. Yeah. And I just got like this, I saw you some of the posts that you posted and I’m like, Hmm, I like her.
[00:32:04] I just kinda got drawn to you. And then, um, I have a client who knows you and adores you, and then you and I took a course last year together and I’m like, there she is. And I do. Yeah. I just kept getting pulled to you. And then I discovered human design and I was like, O M G and then I was like, I need to get a human design expert on the show.
[00:32:26] And then I realized that that’s what you did. I didn’t know that’s what you did. And I was like, it’s her. It’s gotta be her
[00:32:34] Michelle Wolff: mission. But you were getting those hits all along the way
[00:32:42] in a way that is, it wasn’t. So the, it’s an energy piece, right? So if I’m a projector and I want to invite someone to something, I can use that word. I’m inviting you and I hold it very loosely. So when sometimes when I get invitation, there’s a demand behind it. And sometimes when I get invitations, it’s true what I would call a true invitation.
[00:33:08] Like you’re literally saying, I’d like you, and also it’s okay if you don’t. So there’s a looseness there. So it’s not that projectors can’t invite people, but if they’ll wait and think about what they want to do and have a lot of fun, people will start inviting them. And if you’re running a business and you want to invite people, you just hold it very lightly.
[00:33:32] It makes sure that your tanks are full. You know, you’re full up, you’re arrested, you don’t have investment. Yes, of course you want them. To come on your show and also you’re going to be fine if they don’t like, there’s no hook. And that’s yes. Projectors. And it’s the hardest thing for projectors to do is to have fun.
[00:33:55] Like they really haven’t the past. And I went through an enormous amount of guilt about that because my mom was helping support me to build a business. My husband at the time was, uh, working really hard and I was like, really? I’m just going to go. Play in the woods or wander around downtown while working their butts off, you’d be for me.
[00:34:19] You know, I had so much guilt about it, but I noticed that when I was sick, my business got better because I wasn’t involved in it. And when I had fun, my business got better. So I wasn’t asking, answering and trying. The second a projector reaches outside themselves, they’re lost. It pushes that quote. The hand that reaches for the Bether pushes it away, creates the breeze that pushes it away is so true.
[00:34:47] So true for projectors. Oh,
[00:34:50] Allyson Scammell: this is so good. So good. Okay, so tell us about reflectors. The unicorn group here,
[00:34:55] Michelle Wolff: the unicorn group, so they don’t have any defined centers. They’re there to me. They’re life living barometers of the environment. So environment really matters for them and they are similar to projectors and they’ve got to clear their energy.
[00:35:12] They need a lot of rest. They take a lot of time in a hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, culture. It’s really hard for them. They need to. Feel their environment. They sample, and I’ve read that, and I haven’t been able to test this out yet, but I’ve read that they actually really like socializing because they benefit from the sampling of the energy.
[00:35:36] So it’s like, uh, a taste or menu, you know, you have that and they sample this and sample that, and they can tell you what the health of the group, they can tell you if it’s a healthy system or not. Uh. And an environment for them is really, really critical. So when they’re trying to make a decision or they’re trying to create things, they have to wait a long time also, but it’s that energy piece of taking super good care of your body.
[00:36:10] Clear. Making sure that you’re paying attention to your body signals. If you’ve been on social media too long today, do you really need to eat that much sugar? You know, paying attention to those things and how you feel and playing with the. Coming home to the body and which is probably why I always liked Martha Beck’s materials.
[00:36:30] Is it the body compass and, and, and really trusting your intuition. And I identified with her stuff because. Eh, academia was my favorite place, and I always worked in government systems, and so to come out of the closet, so to speak, was really hard for me.
[00:36:52] Allyson Scammell: Yeah, yeah. Well. I’m glad you mentioned that. Let’s talk about trusting intuition.
[00:36:57] So I’m a spiritual entrepreneur. I, I’m, I’m a coach for soul guided entrepreneurs. So I spent a lot of my time in and teaching how to connect to intuition, how to connect to spirit guides. I’m all up. I, I myself, I’m a medium and I, I have a peer who is also a medium. And so she does readings for me and you know, she always tells me that my, my spiritual body is way ahead of my physical body and I just need to like.
[00:37:23] Touch them. Um, she reminds me of that when I did get, when I, when I touched base with her. So like how does this, like how does, how do these two reconcile cause cause like I feel like I, when I do my daily spiritual practice, I’m checking in with intuition. I’m checking in with spirit guides. And I have to say, I don’t normally check in with body, although I’m 1000% believer in the sophistication and the knowledge.
[00:37:46] And the. The, um, the information that’s in the DNA of the body is, is incredible. I mean, our body knows all of our past lifetimes. Like, so I’m a big believer. How do we, how do, how do those, um, they’re not, I don’t, I have a feeling they work in tandem. How do we, how do we work together with all these different guidance systems?
[00:38:05] Michelle Wolff: The way I think of it is the body is the anchor point for all of that. So if you don’t have a body, you’re not on this plane, right? Like you can’t order a pizza and you can’t hug your kids. You can’t have kids like all this stuff. So, um, the description in human design is the body is the vehicle that moves through this world, and the mind is meant to be a passenger.
[00:38:32] So you’re a passenger. Gets to watch everything go by, it gets to connect to the cosmos. And if you have a open head center on your chart, meaning that it’s white or uh, there’s no color in it except for maybe some of the little numbers, um, you really have a direct connection to the cosmos so that the mind is meant to play and can perceive non.
[00:38:58] Local beings are not, not disembodied energies or however we want to talk about that, but the body has, like you said, the DNA of your physical lineage. So. It’s a meshing and then knowing where you are as a matter of practice. So it’s like a continuum. You have your only practical body awareness. Say when you’re shopping for groceries, you’re just looking for food to feed your body and you’re not thinking about a whole lot.
[00:39:33] Other than that, just mundane. Get the oil changed in the car kind of stuff. And then on the other end of the continuum, you can disconnect your consciousness from your body and below non-local. Also, if you can perceive your spirit guides, you can perceive if there’s, um, people who’ve died and they’re hanging around your house or whatever, you can perceive all those things that aren’t connected to the body.
[00:40:00] And then there’s all the stuff in between. So the practice is to figure out on any given moment, where are you on that continuum? And that’s very critical if you’re making decisions because the information and the experience of floating out in the cosmos and forgetting you even have a body is very ineffective for making decisions that impact the body.
[00:40:27] Right. Yeah. So interesting for daily. That’s why those practices of test your authority on the tiniest little things, because communication from the body can be very, very subtle and it’s easy to miss when we’re not practiced. So one thing people can do is go back and look at decisions you’ve made that turned out really well, and the ones that turned out really bad.
[00:40:54] And it’s reflect on, okay, what was I thinking? What was I feeling? Was there a part of me that said, no, this is bad. And I talked myself out of it. You know, that happens a lot. Um, did I, uh, receive an invitation, but I didn’t sit with it. I didn’t talk it out with anybody. I just jumped on it and then it turned out that, that, that’s been the thing for me is I have to talk it out.
[00:41:19] I can’t just take a invitation when I’ve done that. It’s been bad. So, um, you know, how does your body respond? So as I practice, I noticed that my body starts physically withdrawing from the computer, which I never noticed before. I start to like crunch up and. Push back away from the computers. Very subtle, tiny little movement, but it tells me, okay, we’re done for the day.
[00:41:52] It doesn’t matter that I could get 10 more things done. We’re done. Get away from the computer. Um, and one of my clients really just started testing it with food, this food or that food, this food or that food, eat now, eat later. Um, and it really was able to fine tune it that way.
[00:42:11] Allyson Scammell: So, Michelle, how can entrepreneurs.
[00:42:14] Consider their human design type and decision making strategy in their sales and marketing approaches.
[00:42:20] Michelle Wolff: What’s important to understand is that your, your body will, is, uh, is, um. It’s like a living, a ball, like a magic eight ball where you can turn it and you can ask a question and it will give you the answer.
[00:42:36] So we learn sales techniques and we learn marketing techniques and we take classes on Facebook ads and all of that’s very good stuff. It’s good information. The tricky part is when do you use it? And how so. I don’t make a Facebook post endless. I’m talk it through and these days it’s very quickly. I’ll just talk to the cat for a minute or whatever and just speak thing.
[00:43:08] I have this idea on this way. I want to talk about one of my programs. Should I talk about it this way? Because sometimes as a writer too, we can fall in love with words. It doesn’t mean they’re the right words, so. And if you are trying to write sales copy and your, your all into it and you love it and you’re writing about how wonderful it is, then you can ask your body, is this the the words, are these the words that will reach the woman who’s trying to find me or the man?
[00:43:36] And your body will tell you they’re beautiful words. They are gonna go right over the head of the person that you’re trying to find or you try. I as really a better way to say it. Um. So even that small, like should I run some Facebook ads? Ask your body, ask your authority, feel for the yes or the no or the yes, but not now.
[00:44:01] That happens a lot. Yeah. We’re on a Facebook ad two months from now. With all this going on right now, we have to be extra special. I’m extra careful. When are we posting in? What are we posting. And your body has all the answers. So go take the strategy classes. You know, learn how to write good sales copy, learn, listen, and feel into your ideal clients.
[00:44:27] So for most people, that ideal client avatar exercise doesn’t work very well. We need to feel how it feels to work with our ideal client. What does it feel like in our body? What are we talking about? What kind of outcomes are happening and how do those feel physically in our body? And when we anchor in that feeling.
[00:44:54] So this is a little law of attraction, these stuff, when we anchor in the feeling. We, we turn on, uh, what’s called the magnetic monopole in the G center of the human design, and that’s like, go Google it. It’s like, it’s like, Oh, but we literally magnetize our physical body through thoughts, which trigger emotions, which trigger sensations.
[00:45:22] If we hold those sensations, every those signs start to show up. Those invitations start to come. Uh, your awareness of your environment starts to be heightened, and then your awareness of your body’s authority system gets more and more and more clear. So the, you’re never running a Facebook ad in wrong timing.
[00:45:49] You’re always doing them at a time that the people you’re looking for are going to be on Facebook. Like these are the things that mind doesn’t understand. Why? How can we possibly know how ideal client X, you know, how they use their social media? Well, we don’t need to know. Our body knows.
[00:46:08] Allyson Scammell: Yes. And then it really does kick in law of attraction because, um, you know, when I started waiting for the invitation, um, an invitation started to come in and I wasn’t killing myself on launches, pushing stuff out to people who hadn’t invited me and weren’t, so they couldn’t hear me.
[00:46:27] Right.
[00:46:29] Michelle Wolff: You get the more invisible you as a projector.
[00:46:33] Allyson Scammell: Exactly. Exactly. And, and so I was waiting for the invitation and then the invitations were coming and I was offering, and the sales were just happening so easily, and I was like, this feels amazing. And then the better I felt, the faster my intentions were coming to me.
[00:46:50] You know, it was that whole law of affection or attraction just gets kicked into
[00:46:53] Michelle Wolff: high gear. And that’s a perfect description of it. And the thing that can complicate it is conditioning. So if there’s a belief that yes, easy or you start to get past at up to or your money threshold. So that’s when it’s important to consult someone.
[00:47:12] Like what? What’s the missing piece? If you’re doing that, it should be working just like you described. And that’s how it works for me. Unless I let my conditioning takeover and feel guilty about play. Or, or if I have to undo a belief. So as you focus on your strategy and authority, it will show you where your limiting beliefs are.
[00:47:39] You don’t have to wonder about them. You don’t have to be confused about why things aren’t working. If it’s not working in, you’re really following that and you’re truly listening to your body, which is a practice because a lot of times people think they’re hearing their body, but they’re not. It takes some time.
[00:47:55] Um, but if it’s not working, and then that’s letting you know, okay, I need to start asking some questions. How do I feel as a powerful woman in the world? What does it mean to be a successful, powerful, wealthy female. Like do I have beliefs about that is my, am I worried my family’s going to judge me, or my neighbors or my church group, or whoever you’re involved with.
[00:48:18] Like, can I let myself go this far but not any further? Because then I cross over into, well, now you’re a rich bitch, or a bad person, or a dragon lady, or all the things that can be applied, you know? So there’s. The, the human design chart as it’s meant to be lived. And then there’s a conditioned the conditioning responses, which is like laying a wet blanket over your design.
[00:48:45] Allyson Scammell: Yes, and I just want to share something else really quick that was kind of like blew me away. So my virtual assistant, who I adore, is also a human design person. I didn’t know that when I hired her, but I also had a long history of being called the her. Yeah, she was. Yes. And, and so then I, I, I just got the intuitive hit.
[00:49:09] Like I want her in my life. I just, we, I just saw who she was on Facebook. In fact, another well known coach, um, hired her. She was the first VA of a pretty well known coach out there, a coach I follow. And I was like, I like her, I like her so much. I don’t know why, but I do. So I just kind of followed her.
[00:49:29] And then one day she posted. That I’m after being a hiatus from being in a VA. she was going to be a VA again and is anyone looking for somebody? And I like, I left on that so hard, so fast. So I ended up, I ended up hiring her. It’s been a match made in heaven. She’s a human design person. She’s a projector.
[00:49:50] She gave me a free reading and we realized like, I don’t speak the language, Michelle, but you know those little joiner thingys, what are those called? The chords. It was called the chords, the little
[00:50:02] Michelle Wolff: lines, the lines on the term. Oh, the channel.
[00:50:07] Allyson Scammell: Yeah. Channels. Thank you. Yes. So we discovered all sorts of crazy things, but one of them was.
[00:50:15] The marketing and sales channel. Um, one of mine was closed and, and, and hers was open. And so, um, the thing that I was really bad at, she’s really good at and we like need each other. And so I just have her do it. And when we made this shift, um, again, things just shifted completely in the business
[00:50:37] Michelle Wolff: following that.
[00:50:39] Allyson Scammell: So it was so cool to realize. Yeah. And how it’s like a web and that I’m following you. Human design can actually get you to the exact right person who has an open thing where you have a closed thing. For example, I’m not getting the language right, but you understand what I’m saying.
[00:50:55] Michelle Wolff: You complete each other.
[00:50:58] Allyson Scammell: Exactly. It’s Jerry Macquire. She completes me. Yeah. That’s what I said to her at the time. I’m like, Oh my gosh, you can really
[00:51:06] Michelle Wolff: dig into it. The sun and the earth are moving through the those Gates. So the Gates are based on the itching, the 64 hexagrams from the Ching. It represent the Gates and the human design.
[00:51:18] And so if you have open space, it’s written in pencil. So sometimes you have access to those characteristics and sometimes you don’t. If you’re with someone who has definition, then all of a sudden you can access that piece. Or if you get into it and start to follow it, you can look and see is the sun going to be transiting that gate?
[00:51:38] When is the earth transiting that gate? So you don’t plan a conference. If you’re missing a missing a piece there you have, we ha we have all of it. It’s just can we access it or not? So you can project on your business calendar and go, okay, well the sun’s going to be in this gate. That’s going to give me more access to being motivated and focused, so I’m going to plan the conference or the retreat or the whatever for that date so that you maximize your efficiency.
[00:52:08] And your energy levels. I mean, that’s, you know, talk about time-saver. It’s efficient, it’s magical, and also incredibly practical.
[00:52:20] Allyson Scammell: Yes, yes, yes. I love it so much, Michelle. This has been absolutely amazing. So grateful for you. Oh my gosh. So I liked it. I always put my guests on the spot, so I’m going to put you on the spot.
[00:52:31] And I’m going to ask you to leave a challenge for our listeners.
[00:52:35] Michelle Wolff: My challenge would be to every day, ask your body what it wants to do for the day. Now that said, knowing that there’s going to be things that you have to do, but even if there’s something that you have to do and you don’t really want to do it, start to ask your body, okay, how can we make this fun?
[00:53:00] There’s a task, we have to do it, and we were working from home these days. We’ve got to write the report. We don’t really want to, but it doesn’t really want to, but you can ask your body, how can we, should we write it in the morning or should we write it in the afternoon? Is there something else we can do right now?
[00:53:16] What would feel good to you? Really reversing, seeking the wisdom of your body first and foremost.
[00:53:28] I
[00:53:29] Allyson Scammell: completely love that. What does your body want to do for the day? That is beautiful. Oh my gosh. This has been amazing. Michelle, I’m just so thrilled with this episode. What a wealth and absolute wealth of information. Can you please let folks know how they can
[00:53:47] Michelle Wolff: find me on Facebook? I have a free Facebook group, facebook.com forward slash groups.
[00:53:55] Forward slash practical human design. That group is practical human design for success because you can get lost in the human design language, but it’s a very, very practical system and it works. Um, so that’s a free, a freebie. And then my website is just that, Michelle wolf.com.
[00:54:19] Allyson Scammell: So cool. When I got my first human design reading, it was a game changer.
[00:54:25] So if you’re feeling called to this at all, get on Michelle’s mailing list, get in her Facebook group and book some time on her calendar for a reading. It will change your life. Um, it is, I think, from me as not. A speaker that foreign language, it is what exactly what Michelle said. It is complicated and very simple at the same time, so don’t be shy.
[00:54:48] If it’s feeling a little bit like, I’m not sure
[00:54:50] Michelle Wolff: because it’s one hour
[00:54:54] Allyson Scammell: and the information you get. Exactly. It’s so shifting is so it will be easy to implement into your life and there’ll be like, wow, why was it so hard for so long? Why didn’t I get information when I was like
[00:55:07] Michelle Wolff: learning to Tom Ryan period to go through, but then you’ll be on your way,
[00:55:14] Allyson Scammell: especially if you’re a projector.
[00:55:15] That’s a tough one. I had to go through. I know. All right, my dear. Well, I’m so grateful. All those links will be in the show notes. Um, and you’ll let us know. Um, I’m also going to have Michelle send, um, her most recommended site for just getting your own type. If you don’t, you know,
[00:55:36] Michelle Wolff: design chart.com.
[00:55:40] Allyson Scammell: Free human design chart.com that will also be in the show notes.
[00:55:43] So if you’re not sure, get your human design and get on Michelle’s mailing lists and Facebook groups so you can learn more about your design and how to use it in your business. Thank you again, Michelle, so
[00:55:54] Michelle Wolff: much. That
[00:55:56] Allyson Scammell: was just such an inspiring conversation. Thank you so much for tuning in, and if you’re digging on this content like I hope you are, I would be super grateful if you hit the subscribe button wherever you’re listening, and I have a question now for you.
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