She Grows with Allyson Scammell
Ep #17: Embodied Dreaming and Empowerment with Lindsey Curtis
Allyson Scammell: Hey there, everyone. Welcome to the show. This is Allyson Scammell. I absolutely love today’s topic and we’re going to be exploring feminine sensuality and embodiment as a superpower for a soul guided entrepreneur. I had the absolute pleasure of talking to Lindsey Curtis about sensuality and embodiment as it affects the soul guided entrepreneur.
[00:00:27] Lindsey, who is a person I adore. She lives immersed in the mystical experiences of ancient dreaming wisdom and the embodiment of orgasmic bliss. One breath at a time. Now, who doesn’t love that? She specializes in supporting women in embodying greater richness and vitality and their emotional and sexual lives.
[00:00:49] Passionate about diving into the depths of existence. Lindsey is here to remind us how to transform darkness into light with intention and grace. We had an absolutely amazing conversation. Please, please enjoy.
Welcome to She Grows, a podcast for soul guided women entrepreneurs, ready to grow their income, impact and inspiration.
[00:01:13] Each week we’re going to explore how to align to the soul of your business. And grow it from there. I’m your host, Allyson Scammell. Let’s get growing.
[00:01:29] hello Lindsay Curtis. Thank you so much for being here and for sharing your wisdom today. How are you?
[00:01:35] Lindsey Curtis: Hey Allyson, I’m doing so well. Thank you. And I’m excited to be here.
[00:01:40] Allyson Scammell: Yay. So let’s get going. You call yourself a transformational guide, dream therapist, and feminine embodiment mentor. Wow, I love that. Can you share with us your journey and identifying with these fantastic titles.
[00:01:54] Lindsey Curtis: Yes. With great pleasure. So I began seeing clients one-on-one about seven years ago, and at the time I wasn’t sure really what I was doing, let alone what to call myself. I was just kind of led to this space of service. And originally I was playing with the title of shamonic practitioner because that’s a lot of what I was doing is I had studied with a showman in Australia, but I felt like this were, well, I didn’t really feel like I’m, I’m not a showman as far as I’m concerned.
[00:02:30] Um, so I would never claim that, but shaman practitioner felt not so resonant of what it is I was actually doing. And as my path continued and I started studying with my teacher, Katherine Schanberg, and Catherine comes from a long lineage of the Kabbalah of light. And so as I’m immersed in this lineage.
[00:02:52] I felt the title dream therapist. Just be very succinct and capture everything that it is that I was doing as far as how I work with our night dreams, as well as our waking dreams and our inner images. And actually it’s funny because that the dream therapist’s part of the title actually came because of a client.
[00:03:14] Client kept saying how therapeutic the work is and how this dream therapy is awesome. Say, Oh yeah, actually it’s dream service. And, um, similar was the transformational guide. I realized that I. Was more guiding people into their own transformation than necessarily doing the transformation itself. Like being a shamanic practitioner, I would never actually call myself a healer because for me, we’re all healing ourselves and I’m just holding the space for spirit and your highest self to do the actual work.
[00:03:50] So that’s transformational guidance. James therapists. And a feminine embodiment. Well,since about five years, I’ve been delving into the arts of feminine mysteries through embodiment practice and through direct experience. And naturally my inner explorations began to overflow into my client’s sessions.
[00:04:15] And I’ve developed courses and classes to mentor other women and their own embodiment processes. And this word mentor. For me, it’s so significant because the mentor is someone who’s really teaching and guiding from the place of their own experience, and that’s really what I offer. Everything that I give is coming through my embodied experience of what I’ve lived and what I’ve transformed and what it is I’m here to serve.
[00:04:45] Allyson Scammell: Wow. I love that. So beautiful. So, um, let’s start with a few definitions just so everyone feels like they’re on the same page and with us, can you tell us in your words how you define both embodiment and sensuality? Because that’s what we’re really going to be unpacking in this episode.
[00:05:04] Lindsey Curtis: Yes. So embodiment for me is literally bringing my spirit, bringing the parts of myself down here into my, into this very sweet little body that we all are gifted to, to walk with through this earth journey.
[00:05:22] And embodiment is, yeah, it’s a top down kind of, we would say, because they’re really bringing all parts of ourselves into the body. And embodiment happens often through the expression of maybe negative emotions and past experiences or any sorts of trauma that actually block and and crystallized in our body, which prevents our soul from coming more and more into this realm.
[00:05:54] That’s how I would really describe embodiment and sensuality. So that’s a great question. How do we define sensuality? And I have an entire course called central explorations that explores that question because it’s, um, it’s not something we can understand really with the mind because sensuality is of the census.
[00:06:15] And simply put I sensuality that which we sense our hearing, our smelling, our sight, our taste, our touch, and then we can expand that also to include our intuition and our instinctual nature. This is all part of our sensuality. It’s also a lot to do with our embodiment because as we’re more and more in the body I sent you and it opens.
[00:06:43] Also, and we get to experience life more richly because we’re here in the body. Our senses are open and that we’re in the world.
[00:06:53] Allyson Scammell: Nice. Um, a couple of things. I love your definition of embodiment and it makes me think of my own, my own coaching style with as it relates to business growth. And I like to help people, you know, rise up to that fifth dimensional vibrational state to get that soul guided vision that comes from our higher self.
[00:07:16] Of what we want to bring into our business and how we want to serve others. And then how to bring that back down to that third dimensional human reality of, you know, how, how to, you know, implement that vision in our human world. Is it. Are you seeing the connection?
[00:07:36] Lindsey Curtis: A hundred percent Alison and I, I mean, I love the way you work and as I’ve worked with you also in one on ones, I love connecting up and receiving this vision, and then.
[00:07:48] What I love about your work also is you’re really practical and okay, what are the action steps or the non-doing things that I can do to make that vision come true? And another dimension of it that I’m touching on is actually like our physical body connection. So in order to bring our soul visions into this earth, we need a lot of energy.
[00:08:13] Actually. We need a lot of vitality. Right? Yes. To do the things that we need to do in order to bring it into experience. And that energy is really coming from our body and it’s, it’s in our bodies. And the more we can get deeply connected to our body and cultivate this inner vitality, the more easy it is to then bring our visions into experience.
[00:08:41] Oh, that’s what I witnessed. And with the, with the women that I support.
[00:08:46] Allyson Scammell: Well, that brings us nicely to our next question. Uh, you and I’ve talked about before we recorded that the primary listener of this podcast is soul led women, women entrepreneurs, and not just entrepreneurs, but you know, people who are in service to.
[00:09:03] Their ideal audience, the planet and their, their spiritual growth and the growth of their career or business are sort of intertwined. And this group of people has a tendency to be more in these higher rounds of inspiration and less in touch at times, myself included with the deeper realms of embodiment that we’re talking about and nature’s rhythm for longterm sustainability.
[00:09:28] And these, a lot of these words I’m using are your words, cause I thought they really. Brought the point in. So can you tell us what this means, Lindsey?
[00:09:37] Lindsey Curtis: Yes. It’s such a pleasure. So. I love this because yes, we’re here and we are still alleged. Um, we’re also human and we need to come into a greater connection.
[00:09:49] For me, what I witnessed is we need to come into greater connection consistently throughout our life journey to our own humanity. And that has a lot to do with our, in our rhythms and how we can return to our own natural rhythm, as well as the nature’s rhythm, because our outer worlds. The earth herself included, is the reflection of our inner world.
[00:10:12] So as we get deeper and do more connection with our natural rhythm, you get to live in greater harmony. Okay, that sounds really nice. But what does it mean? Right? So how can I best describe this? Well, it is, it can also be, uh, a defense of kind of mechanism to stay in the higher rounds of inspiration. And not stay deeper into the body because the body can be very uncomfortable.
[00:10:42] The body has emotions of anger, of shame or guilt or fear that can feel very uncomfortable so often, right? But these emotions, they are part of our power. They’re part of our energy. And so when we go into the higher round, so we received these visions and then bring them down into our body. What can really help to sustain the vision is body connection.
[00:11:10] So movement, but also breasts. Like what happens if I am moving and breathing and I exhale and I allow sound come out of my body. It can feel funny. It can feel uncomfortable, but suddenly there’s a movement in my stomach and I feel an opening and I have more energy available to bring my inspired visions into my reality.
[00:11:34] So this is part of the importance of becoming more embodied, but also how respecting nature’s rhythm gives us longterm stability. This has to do with our own internal rhythms as women, if we are menstruating, how respectful are we to the sacred time that when we bleed, do we give ourselves pause and space to just relax and receive?
[00:12:02] And some women experienced that time in months very painfully, or like a disconnection or perhaps like it’s this terrible thing that comes and doesn’t allow me to do my work that I’m here to do. But actually rest is so super important. Especially, I mean for women, resting and men, we all need to rest.
[00:12:23] Rest is when our juices can flow. It’s when true inspiration and a more aligned. So vision can actually fall into place. So taking these times of rest is so, so important. Every month we have this opportunity. So of course for our men listening and women that are beyond menstruation, we can also link ourselves with the moon.
[00:12:46] And so do we take pause around the new moons for a few days to rest and to really go inside more deeply and receive what else is there? Does this as part of the longterm stability, sustainability, and stability? Really what would my life look like if I valued rest as much as I value action? Mmm. What would our world look like if we’ve valued rest as much as we valued action.
[00:13:16] Allyson Scammell: I love that.
[00:13:17] Lindsey Curtis: Love that. That’s so beautiful.
[00:13:20] Allyson Scammell: So I love that you said, um, our outer world is a reflection of our inner world. Ah, cause I just say yes in this concept comes up a lot. Uh, with clients, and I have clients who resist it and they’re like, well, how could that be? It doesn’t make sense. Um, you know, I want to manifest in a partner, a loving partner, but I don’t, they don’t see how self-love is connected to that.
[00:13:46] Can you, um, first of all, putting you on the spot a little bit? And if the answer is no. Beautiful. Um, do you know of any
[00:13:54] Lindsey Curtis: books
[00:13:55] Allyson Scammell: or literature that explain this concept? Well, I get this question a lot and I never really know where to point people, so I’m just checking in with you on it since, since it came up of
[00:14:05] Lindsey Curtis: our inner and outer worlds reflecting.
[00:14:07] Yeah. No. Well, actually the first one slip that comes to mind as one that you’d recommend that the cause surrender experiment. Oh yes. That’s a good one. I love about that book is it shows as he surrenders, as his surrender is living in way greater abundance, and you could have ever imagined or intended.
[00:14:27] Allyson Scammell: It’s such a good book. That’s Michael singer. Yes. That is a good example. He doesn’t exactly split explain the energetics of it, but he is an example of it.
[00:14:36] Lindsey Curtis: Yeah, right. Yeah.
[00:14:39] Allyson Scammell: Well, anyway, I wanted to ask that question. Um, and I love everything you just said and this whole concept of valuing rest as much as action.
[00:14:49] Lindsey Curtis: So also
[00:14:51] Allyson Scammell: to the sensuality aspect of it. Well, sensuality, so directly associated with sexuality.
[00:15:01] Lindsey Curtis: Hmm. Well, it’s sexuality. Great question. Um, well, this is kind of the interesting aspect because there’s quite a perversion about, uh, sexuality and what it even is, which is why so often choose the word sensuality and bring it more into the body.
[00:15:20] The truth of the matter is, the more and more I open up my essential sexual connection, the more I literally can be walking down this down the street or walking in the park, and I feel the sexual energy expanding in me, and I can feel an orgasmic experience even though it has nothing to do with my gen ed jolts or even my breasts.
[00:15:40] There’s no overt sexual stimulation to that yet. I’m having this kind of sexual experience. So I mean. That can sound really theoretical unless you’ve had the experience, which is why I choose to focus on sensuality and allow us to open it more up just because there is such a twist on what sexual energy even is in our current world, in the way it is with our patriarchal.
[00:16:08] Yeah. History and experiences. so that’s one thing that I feel very important . Just name. Yeah. Yes,
[00:16:20] Allyson Scammell: yes. It is so important. So let’s talk about then how sensuality then, you know, expanding more on what you just mentioned, how it specifically affects the soul led women entrepreneurs who are listening. And why is it important that we pay attention to this.
[00:16:38] Lindsey Curtis: Awesome. So our feminine sensuality is literally a superpower. And this is so essentially, well for the women, sole ed entrepreneurs, because our sensuality. It’s such an important aspect of creation. Hey, we can have two forms of creation. We can, it’s a creation where I’m acting and I’m efforting, and then I received the results from that.
[00:17:03] Or I can create from magnetism. He said that some funny but magnetic super power. It’s the supercar of, as I rest into my being, as I expand my sensuality and really. Receive myself from the inside. Like you had mentioned before, this person that wants to attract a partner, but they don’t understand how their self-love has anything to do with it.
[00:17:30] As I receive what it is I really desire from my heart on the inside, naturally I’m going to magnetize it. I’m going to attract that into my outer experience as the inner and outer worlds. We are one another. Hmm. As well, as I had mentioned earlier, you know, leading businesses, creating these projects in the world that are service driven, they require so much energy, so much energy.
[00:18:01] We stores so much of our energy as women in our pelvis, in our hips, and it’s the essential sexual energy that we can access through us sensuality, and we can welcome up into our bodies more and more power us in going forward into the world. Our sensuality has so much. So much goodness for us, and it allows us to really build our inner energy and to be receiving it in and up through our bodies.
[00:18:31] We can then cycle it around us and. Oh, it just becomes so much more vibrant and alive and this alive, this attracts new opportunities that attracts new partnerships in the world, and so much more. Um, so many more surprises literally get to pop up because we’re full and we’re no longer in lab. And so then we’re also creating from a state of inner abundance the truth, since this real fullness and overflowing.
[00:19:03] or flow into our projects in the world and also in private partnerships and our family, and we can have this greater balance and long term sustainability.
[00:19:15] Allyson Scammell: Yes, yes. It’s that Rumi quote, right, that we should create from that place where our cup is overflowing. And not from the empty
[00:19:24] Lindsey Curtis: cup. A lot of us,
[00:19:27] Allyson Scammell: myself included, can sometimes create from, I didn’t get the quote exactly right, but it’s something about creating from that overflowing cup, which is what you’re talking about, right?
[00:19:36] Lindsey Curtis: Yes, and it reminds me of a few years ago, I was doing an imagery at dreaming exercise, and I look through a keyhole into my future, and what I see is a fountain. And this fountain, it’s underneath an arch of Jasmine flowers and morning glories. And there’s just this beautiful fountain. And I received this image and I’m like, well, actually, what does it mean?
[00:20:03] What does it mean? How, what? What is the significance of this image? And it took me a long time to really receive that image. Oh, actually, I’m on this process of embodying stillness, of embodying the wellspring that is within me, that is the divine cycling through me and how we could, we all have the opportunity to rest into ourselves.
[00:20:29] And receive and receive continually and allow that to flow out into the world as well.
[00:20:36] Allyson Scammell: Yes. So let’s get into the how we can help bring this in and
[00:20:42] Lindsey Curtis: set ourselves up
[00:20:43] Allyson Scammell: for having this overflowing cup. So tell us how we can be more in touch with this embodiment. Sensuality in nature’s rhythms. What are some tips or daily practices that you recommend?
[00:20:56] Lindsey Curtis: Oh, great. So. One tip. It’s really how do I relate to rest? Hmm. How do I relate to my menstruation time? Or if I’m not a menstruating person, how do, how do I have regular rest in a monthly cycle, at least a few days where there is just no outer action and it’s like a personal meditation retreat where I can just go inside and receive what is really going on here.
[00:21:26] Something so, so, so, so important. And especially in nature’s rhythm, you know, there’s always a winter, right? If we live somewhere in the world where there is winter also, how do we relate to that? So we give some extra space to hibernate a little bit. That’s good.
[00:21:44] Allyson Scammell: Yeah. So, um, I’m not subject, I’m a mom and so, and I know a lot of moms out there might have a similar thought if I have space.
[00:21:54] In my day that’s not working space. My immediately thought is I need to then focus completely on my daughter and
[00:22:03] Lindsey Curtis: that’s. That’s
[00:22:04] Allyson Scammell: not always restful.
[00:22:07] Lindsey Curtis: Great. Um,
[00:22:09] Allyson Scammell: so, so like how, what would you say to someone like me who was like, well, I will just take that extra space and focus on my child or my children
[00:22:19] Lindsey Curtis: first.
[00:22:20] I would say beautiful because that, that’s wonderful. And if we, if that’s how we parent, that’s really beautiful and it shows your love and connection. So great. And are you giving that attention from him? The overflowing place? Because what I want to introduce here as that are these moments of pause and these daily practices maybe that I’ll recommend to in a moment, they don’t require a lot of time.
[00:22:45] They can literally be five or 10 minutes, and if you take that five minutes for yourself and then you give 10 minutes to your children from that fullness, that’s what they’re going to remember. Rather than giving your 15 minutes from mental Cleveland state.
[00:23:00] Allyson Scammell: Yeah.
[00:23:01] Lindsey Curtis: So good. Oh yeah. Mom was here, or dad was here, and we had this great time for a moment, because the truth is they’re playing, they’re, they’re imagining, they’re dreaming their lives as well.
[00:23:12] And so if you can come to the spades in greater receptivity and presence, well, that is in service.
[00:23:19] Allyson Scammell: Yes. And I think we can fill in the blank there. That is true with your child, with your client, with your partner, with your friends, right?
[00:23:26] Lindsey Curtis: That same concept, your animals like, yes. Land. Thank you. What are your plans?
[00:23:31] After you’ve done a little moment of connection, they’re going to become so much more vibrant too. That’s so good. Yes. Yes. Yeah, so I, I really, a daily connection, daily practice, movement, movement, movement, movement, movement, and whoever it is that you share your life with and invite them into the movement to like, whether it be freely moving your body for just one song in the morning, can set yourself up our ID into this embodied experience.
[00:24:03] A bit more connected to what you’re feeling inside and your sensuality. So, so important. Or just after a client session or after you just pause from a work project, standing up and move your hips, like giving some spiraling action or figure eights can unlock so much more energy in your lower body that will give more fuel to the rest of your life.
[00:24:30] And really to get insurance sensuality on a daily. Experience, any kind of nonlinear movement. So I, I practiced yoga for over a decade, and I teach feminine embodiment yoga, where we really balance out any kind of linear things, like linear stretches to also then allow, Oh, what a fluid movement. So if I stretch my arm straight up above my head, Oh.
[00:24:57] Oh, I’m doing enough. I feel so good. Everybody. Let’s do this. Let’s stretch your arms above your head. Oh, and really stretch, stretch, stretch, stretch. Okay. This is a really great straight line. And then excellent. Relax your fingers, relax your arms and just allow your shoulders, maybe move back and forth.
[00:25:16] Allow your arms to slowly slow down in a way of like motion, releasing any tension. And so your arms come all the way down. and then already, how do you feel?
[00:25:30] Allyson Scammell: Oh my gosh. I feel like I got, I was already feeling so lovely and connected just speaking with you and now I just feel even
[00:25:41] Lindsey Curtis: Awesome. It doesn’t need to be complicated.
[00:25:44] We can just put in all these little moments throughout our day.
[00:25:49] Allyson Scammell: I love that. And I think the perfectionist in me, immediately when you started talking, I was like, Oh, well I need to take an entire day to do that, but I can’t take a day because I’ve got this and that. And you know, I think I, you immediately go to like, what could this look like?
[00:26:03] Lindsey Curtis: Perfectly
[00:26:05] Allyson Scammell: air quotes instead of like, how can we make it just happen. You know,
[00:26:13] Lindsey Curtis: and that that is the perfection. It’s just like, let’s just make it happen. If it’s just for two breasts, like, Whoa, that’s fantastic, because for if we do that over the course of a few weeks, suddenly those breaths are going to expand. . Yes,
[00:26:30] Allyson Scammell: I love this so much and I feel like it’s coming at such a great time for me personally.
[00:26:37] Um, you know, me, myself am in a really busy time right now and in, when you get into that busy space, I’m in the middle of a move and I am in the middle of a business launch and I’m trying to figure out, you know, appropriate childcare for my child. So. Lots going on and just this concept of like five minutes here and there.
[00:26:59] Lindsey Curtis: It’s like, Oh,
[00:27:00] Allyson Scammell: it’s so relieving.
[00:27:02] Lindsey Curtis: Like it
[00:27:02] Allyson Scammell: doesn’t have to be a lot, but
[00:27:04] Lindsey Curtis: those five minutes, just the idea of it
[00:27:06] Allyson Scammell: feels so good.
[00:27:11] Lindsey Curtis: Yes. And you know, we’ve talked about it and you also are a scheduler, so where can you schedule in just these extra five minutes? Or, I started a practice recently where. After each client session, I have 10 minutes, and in that 10 minutes I’m either moving or I’m just sitting or, but that 10 minutes posts.
[00:27:30] The question is really for my own reconnection, my own reembody moment.
[00:27:35] Allyson Scammell: Mmm.
[00:27:37] Lindsey Curtis: Yes. Little things that we can also put into our agenda and, and make it more practical as well.
[00:27:45] Allyson Scammell: Perfect. Perfect. Well, Lindsay, this has been such an amazing conversation. I learned so much. I am such a big fan of yours, and I love what you’re putting out in the world is just a truly and honestly, planet earth is a more happy, joyful place because you’re here right now.
[00:28:01] Um, can you please tell people who want to learn more about you, how they can find you.
[00:28:06] Lindsey Curtis: Hmm. Yes. Thank you so much, Allison. Um, so my website, my website recently, I’m super excited. It’s www.herreturn.com. So H, E, R, R, E, T, U, R, N. and um, on my website you can find links to my social media. I also have a podcast called her return with Lindsey Curtis.
[00:28:31] And pretty soon I’m actually launching central explorations on line, which is very, very exciting. And you can Oh, head over to my website and sign up for my email list and get more information.
[00:28:44] Allyson Scammell: Oh my gosh. That is also exciting. I didn’t know you had changed your website, so I love it.
[00:28:51] Lindsey Curtis: Yeah, super excited.
[00:28:53] And I just. Want to say thank you so much, Allison, for all the beautiful works that you do and for all of your lovely listeners, I recommend Alison wholeheartedly, 100% for all of your business and creative leaps that you want to take. And she’s a really, really, really wonderful support. Thank you for being in my life.
[00:29:14] Allyson Scammell: Oh my gosh. My heart is smiling ear to ear. Thank you so much. Uh, well, I absolutely loved this episode. All of those links to find Lindsey is going to be in the show notes and anything we referenced in this episode. So head on over, check her out, sign up for her newsletter and listened to her podcast. I was lucky enough to be a guest.
[00:29:38] I’ve listened to her podcast. It is very, very, very good. So Lindsey, I am just oozing with
[00:29:43] Lindsey Curtis: gratitude for you
[00:29:45] Allyson Scammell: and thank you so much and I can’t wait to have you back again.
[00:29:50] Lindsey Curtis: Thank you, Alison. I feel so sparkly and alive. This has been so, so good and I look forward to connecting with you again.
[00:30:00] Allyson Scammell: That was just such.
[00:30:01] An inspiring conversation. Thank you so much for tuning in, and if you’re digging on this content like I hope you are, I would be super grateful if you hit the subscribe button wherever you’re listening, and I have a question now for you. Are you. Ready to grow your business with both magic and predictability.
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