The Uncorked Conversation
The Uncorked Conversation
The Uncorked Conversation Podcast with Allyson Scammell
Ep #37: Playing in the Magic, Staying in the Real
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Episode number 37.
Hello and welcome to the Uncorked Conversation, a podcast for soul guided passion filled women entrepreneurs who want to uncork big magic in life and business without burning out. We’ll get to the truth of how to uncork our core gifts, the ones we keep hidden inside, and how to infuse those gifts into our personal and professional life in a way that feels like magic. We’ll also uncover how to truly experience the joy of the journey through smart time management and planning. I’m your host, Allyson Scammell, let’s uncork.
Allyson S.: I’m going to start this episode with a question. What made you push play? What made you decide, “I want to listen to this one?” Well, if you already know our guest, I am certain that’s the reason why. And if you only caught the title, Play in the Magic, Stay in the Real, I have a hunch that it called your name and said, “Come explore me.” I am so, so excited for this episode, and I had the absolute honor of chatting with Jennifer Voss about this saying, “Play in the magic, stay in the real.”
Allyson S.: I was so lucky to be able to spend a fair amount of time with J-Vo, as many people call her, because she is the program coordinator of Martha Beck’s Master Coach Training Program, and truly getting to learn from both Martha and J-Vo, and in spending as much time with them as you get to do as a master peep as we called ourselves, is truly one of the highlights of my coaching career so far. It was an absolutely extraordinary experience, and I feel so grateful and honored to have Jennifer on this podcast to be chatting with us today about this topic.
Allyson S.: Play in the magic, stay in the real is the new adventure Jennifer Voss is on these days. Exiting the corporate world over 10 years ago to create her own coaching and consulting business, she loves helping people navigate big changes in their work and lives. Her methods are grounded in solid business practices and enhanced by a blend of practical magic. Ooh, I love that. I had an absolutely delightful conversation with J-Vo, and I really truly hope that you benefit from it as much as I did.
Allyson S.: So, I am just so excited and so thrilled to be chatting with today on the podcast, the very, very brilliant and wonderful Jennifer Voss. Welcome, Jennifer, to the show.
Jennifer Voss: Hi, Allyson. It’s my honor.
Allyson S.: So we’ve been kind of dancing with each other a little bit about what our topic is going to be for today, and so a topic emerged, and I am so excited to unpack this with you. So let’s just get going. Tell us about this new phrase you’ve been using, “Play in the magic, stay in the real.”
Jennifer Voss: Yes. I was actually at a retreat a few weeks ago with … It was Martha Beck’s meet and greet for her new coaches, and I was helping to facilitate that. And out of Martha’s mouth comes, “This thing that Jennifer does,” and she calls me J-Vo, “This thing that J-Vo does …” And she said it, “Playing in the magic, staying in the real.” I kind of cocked my head and I was like, “I do that? I said that?” Then I thought back and I’d remembered her saying it once before, and I was like, “Wow. That is kind of what I do.” One foot in the magical kind of, people would call it woo-woo, but the magical world that includes synchronicity and synergies when people come together to work, and one foot in the real world getting stuff done. I was like, “Wow. That kind of is how I walk through the world, one foot here and one foot there.” So that’s where it came from, but I’ve had fun playing with it ever since then.
Allyson S.: I love that. I love that so much. How can we use this concept, play in the magic, stay in the real, as we’re creating visions for our lives or visions for our businesses?
Jennifer Voss: When I started thinking about that, I was like, “How does this actually work?” And I thought back over 10 years ago when I was first contemplating leaving the corporate world and envisioning what life might look like outside, and looking back in my trajectory since then, I’ve figured out that there are really four elements that come to play to make this thing work. First of all is clarity of vision, and you just mentioned vision. First of all is clarity of vision, and that doesn’t necessarily mean you have to have a clear vision with all the I’s dotted and the T’s crossed, it just means you have a vision that is something other than what is happening right this minute. And I’ll explain more in a second, but clear vision.
Jennifer Voss: Trust in that vision is the second thing. Trust in yourself. Trust in the vision. Trust in the essence of it. Then heart, bringing your heart into it, which some people would call this values or your longing or your meaning and purpose in the world, but to me I call it heart. Is how when I connect with others, how when I connect with myself, how when I connect with spirit is my heart at play. Is it peaceful, and maybe not always peaceful, it could be scary, but is it at play and is it leading? Then the final part is to be congruent, to be in integrity with what you’re doing and what you’ve promised others, what you’ve promised yourself.
Jennifer Voss: When all four of those things line up, to me that’s when magic can come into play. So, you asked about vision, when … Again, looking back 10 years ago when I was in the corporate world, I remember very clearly one day standing in my office. By office, it was corner office with wraparound glass windows, and it was April. So there’s one tree that was right outside one window that was a dogwood that was blooming, and then another tree out the other window that was this very, very tall Fraser fir-ish type tree that birds would build a nest in. And right at my window level I could watch them fly in and out. Actually that April spring day it happened to snow. It was kind of weird.
Jennifer Voss: My office was always beautiful when it snowed. The wind would blow the snow kind of around the curve of the windows and we called it the snow globe, and people would come it and it was fun. But I was standing there by myself that day and I remember very, very clearly thinking, “Oh, my snow globe,” and my heart sank. I was like, “Oh my goodness. Oh no. I’m in the snow globe. I’m trapped in the snow globe.” Real life is out where the birds are in the trees and the dogwood’s blooming and things are happening out there, and that became my vision.
Jennifer Voss: I didn’t know what I wanted to be doing out there, I just knew that I wanted to be out there. Right? So when I say clarity of vision, it doesn’t mean I knew exactly what I was doing then, but what I knew was I was going to be outside of those windows. Does that make sense?
Allyson S.: Yes, yes. I love the metaphor of that, trapped in the snow globe.
Jennifer Voss: Mm-hmm (affirmative), and so the vision became very clear. Every time I thought … So the trust in the vision was that, “Oh yes.” I didn’t know how I’d grown up in a family business that that industry was all I knew, but I trusted that somehow I was going to figure it out. So again, it wasn’t a vision of I knew I was going to be doing X, Y, Z for these people and those these days. It wasn’t that. It was I was going to be doing something different, and I trusted that I was going to be doing something different.
Jennifer Voss: Then I engaged my heart. “What does my heart want?” So I started then following inspired actions from that point and made sure, I wasn’t always perfect, but made sure as much as possible that I was still upholding, I was still congruent with myself and with the job that I was doing, still being in the corporate world, and with my vision, bringing all three of those in alignment as much as possible. Oh, Allyson, talk about spirituality and playing in the magic and staying in the real, that’s when I mean things got crazy magic. And I didn’t even believe in magic before then.
Jennifer Voss: So that’s what I mean by vision, and that to me is if people, anybody listening, is struggling with a vision, like right now I’m kind of in a liminal space again and I don’t have a clear vision again, and I know that it’s probably I’m going to be living outside of the city that I live in now. Probably, but I’m not sure, but I trust that I am on the path to figure it out. So it’s kind of like I’m back in that place again from 10 years ago.
Allyson S.: Yeah. Yes. I love that. So what do you tell people when they get the vision and they get the calling and then life happens and they really start to second guess it? Do you have anything you can share to help alleviate some of the doubt that sometimes gets in our way?
Jennifer Voss: Yes, because it happens all the time to me. Anyway, I will start second guessing, and actually that means one of two things. A, the second guessing is a real true calling or a message to look, “Does this feel right?” And I’ll go back to, “Is this in alignment with my vision? Do I trust it? Is it in my heart? And is it in alignment with everything else that I’ve lined up?” Now it could be at a fork in the road, to where I’m really standing at a crossroads and I want to make that decision. At that point what I say is the doubt is normal.
Jennifer Voss: The doubt could be giving a clear message of, “Is this the right path? Really look at it.” But it could also be something that’s trying to keep up safe, you and I and our coaching world calls it the lizard brain, or some people call it the monkey mind. That has a very different feel to me than a real, true signal that something needs to be looked at. If I’m in my monkey mind or my lizard brain, all of my energy is up around the top of my head. I’m very much in my head, very much in an energy of fear. It’s a higher energetic vibration so to speak, and it’s got very clear markers.
Jennifer Voss: My energy’s scattered, I am thinking about things that might not light me up, but I know that they feel safe and familiar. I’ve gotten to know that about myself, and at that point I take a few deep breaths, very simple practice, a few deep breaths, and drop my awareness to my heart. I don’t try to do anything with my heart. I don’t try to do anything magical there, but I just drop my awareness to my heart and then into my butt in the chair and my feet in the floor, and drop back down into my body. And try to then envision the fork in the road, you know, go left or go right, with allowing the fear to be there but not allowing it to drive the bus.
Jennifer Voss: So then I can ask myself just a couple of questions, and again, it’s back to, “Is this in alignment?” Option A or B, is it in alignment with my vision? Do I trust that it feels intuitively like the right place to go? So I’m bringing my intuition back online. Do I have the support that I need? That’s an extra question. Do I have the support that I need to make this decision? Then is it in alignment with my heart, and is it in alignment with the promises I’ve made to self and others?
Jennifer Voss: Now, the biggest fear comes if I’m “breaking a promise” that I’ve made to others, if I’m changing my mind about something. Then I might call in extra support, outside support, my coach, and not only rely on my own internal intuition but talk to somebody. Talk to a trusted person because we can’t walk through this alone, especially when we’re making big decisions. I mean that’s my process anyway.
Allyson S.: Yes, I love how you described it, identifying exactly where the fear or the doubt or the hesitation is coming from. I absolutely agree. Sometimes it is coming from a like, “Hey. I’m out of alignment here in this vision. Let me reevaluate it.” Then it is coming from that head space of the, you know, it’s funny, I don’t know if ever heard the expression “monkey mind.”
Jennifer Voss: Oh, really?
Allyson S.: How could that be after all these years? Definitely know lizard brain, but I love monkey mind.
Jennifer Voss: Yeah. Have you heard the phrase, “Not my monkeys, not my circus?”
Allyson S.: No. I love that too. Where have I been?
Jennifer Voss: It’s just another way of saying lizard brain or that part of our brain that just gets kind of … Well, the lizard brain is wanting to keep us safe, right? The monkey mind is just wanting to keep us safe by keeping us all scattered or not really in focus, which, again, why I come back to clarity of vision. When the monkey mind gets in play, or the lizard brain, we lose clarity of vision, right? So dropping back into the body and really getting clear, meditating, or if you have a vision board and you’re looking at images that bring you back to vision, usually you can see the fear as fear and then convert it to courage. Right? The energy of fear can be used two ways. One to stop you, which is good sometimes, or one to fuel the courage to go to where you want to go. So it’s really about stopping and understanding what is the energy trying to do, to give you a really solid message or keep you from being courageous. Then how do you want to use that energy?
Allyson S.: Yeah. Love that, using the fear to fuel your courage. That’s beautiful. Another question I have on this is what do you say to folks, or if it pops up in your life, when you get the vision and there’s just some … Getting back to staying in the real, maybe I’m not describing this properly, but there’s some real world things that you have to do first, and you just … That sense of frustration of that sense of lack, sometimes I think, that our vision isn’t here yet. I know I get impatient. I get kind of in that lack energy, it’s not here yet, and I think that that kind of pushes my vision a little bit down the road possibly. Maybe it detracts some of the things that I want to attract into my life. So any advice on when we’re feeling impatient that our vision hasn’t arrived yet?
Jennifer Voss: Yeah. It’s, A, we’re human.
Allyson S.: Right, right.
Jennifer Voss: Get excited and are in love with a vision, we want it to be here today. And knowing that there’s a little trick, and I learned this in coach training, again, that it is often not the thing, the vision we’re so excited about. It’s the feeling states that we think it’s going to bring us, or that whatever the outcome is it’s that it’s going to give us freedom. It’s going to give us love. It’s going to give us joy, connection, community, safety, security, whatever it is that the thing is going to bring us is really probably a combination of several feeling states. So, say when I decided I wanted to leave the corporate world, but I wasn’t quite there yet, I wasn’t quite ready and I was still trying to understand what it was that I wanted to do, what I knew I wanted to feel was a sense of freedom that I’d never felt before.
Jennifer Voss: So I made a list of things that I can do right now today that will bring me that sense of freedom. That sounds like an easy task, but if I’d never experienced that before, what am I going to put on that list? So, again, I called my coach and I was like, “What does this mean? What is a sense of freedom? I don’t even know … I know I long for it, but I’m not quite sure I can build a list of 25 things that will bring me there today.” So she helped me talk through it, and she said, “Okay. When you come home from … The things can be very simple, not cost any money. When you come home from work …” I hope this isn’t going too far for the podcast, but she said, “When you come home from work, just take off your bra. Throw it in the drawer. That is a sense of freedom.” I was like, “Oh.”
Allyson S.: I love that.
Jennifer Voss: I never thought of it that way, and those kind of things, I started finding those kind of things. When my lips are chapped, go immediately and put on some lip gloss or chapstick on. Don’t walk around thinking, “God, my lips are chapped. What am I going to do about that?” Those small little things like that brought me, and every time I did it I’d, every time I came home, took off my bra, I was like, “Freedom.” Every time I put on Chapstick, freedom. I started consciously connecting those little acts with what it was that I wanted to feel.
Jennifer Voss: It was a magical little thing because that brought me one step closer to the feeling state I was after, and by the time I actually left, I was like, “Wow. I could stay here.” Because I’d been able to create so many things that brought me the feeling state I yearned for while I was still there. Then of course, I ended up leaving, but the more of that that I brought into my life, the more I consciously created that sense of freedom for myself, the faster the vision came true, and the faster the universe started delivering pieces to help me.
Jennifer Voss: A quick example is I worked with high dollar settlements and collections in the company that I worked with, and I thought, “Well, if I leave,” and this was before I’d really decided. I thought, “If I leave, I want to leave this place better than I found it.” That’s how I described the feeling state. I wanted to leave with a sense of pride, and so what are the things I wanted to accomplish before then so that I can feel that way? One of them was to settle this longstanding settlement with a customer of ours, and it was a high six figure number that they owed us. I wrote it down on a piece of paper, and I got really clear as, you know, this is part of how I want to feel when I leave. I want this to be settled. I don’t want to have to delegate this to somebody.
Jennifer Voss: A week later this customer calls us and said, “You know, we’ve been grappling about this. It’s the end of our fiscal year, we just want to clean it up. We trust you. How much do we owe you?” And they wrote us the check.
Allyson S.: Wow.
Jennifer Voss: And it’s that … That’s what playing in the magic, staying in the real, when you get everything in alignment, magic like that starts to happen. It’s like I didn’t even have to pick up the phone and call them, they called me. I can’t explain why that happened all of a sudden, except for things got into alignment. That’s the congruence piece. I was in alignment with the good for the company and the job that I was doing, and I was in alignment for my vision to leave. It was in alignment for that client because they really did owe it to us. It was in alignment for our department. I mean it was all in alignment for the good. It didn’t mean I had to leave, it just clicked into place.
Allyson S.: Yes, yes.
Jennifer Voss: That’s the kind of thing that if you get frustrated, start playing with things that can just … That’s an inspired action that’ll help you get there, bring the feeling state into your life, and you’ll be shocked.
Allyson S.: Yes, and what I love about this example so much is that it really was. I think when we feel like our problems are big, that we look for big solutions, and you … I mean taking off your bra, putting on Chapstick, these are small solutions but they were really infused. Like you were aware and you were infusing this idea of freedom – triggering the emotion every time you did it.
Jennifer Voss: Exactly.
Allyson S.: Yeah. I love that.
Jennifer Voss: Then it came to play in big ways in the work.
Allyson S.: Yes, yes, yes. I love this. So I wanted to shift to, and it might sound like a big shift but I don’t think it is, Equus coaching. It’s like-
Jennifer Voss: No, not a big shift at all.
Allyson S.: Right, right. So if someone’s listening to this and they’re not familiar, could you give us a quick intro to Equus coaching? What is it?
Jennifer Voss: Yes. I partner with a horse to coach. Horses are fabulous biofeedback mechanisms. If you get into a round pin or an arena with a horse and you engage, they become like a mirror. When you show up with a goal, say a vision, and you want to engage with the horse to bring that vision to life, say you want it to run in a certain way at a certain speed, and there’s something in the way, it will show itself. The horse will mirror back, “The message you’re sending me isn’t clear.” Or, “You’ve got a hole in your boundaries some way.” It becomes like, somebody said the other day, it becomes like 10 years of coaching in 15 minutes. You can break through old patterns and then create new ones right there, and the horse will instantly react to the new way of you showing up. So if you’re showing up incongruent and all of a sudden get congruent, the horse will show up and show you that. I don’t know if I’m being clear or not.
Allyson S.: Yes, you’re being crystal clear, and I can say that it is, from my experience, and I was so lucky to have had the experience to be in the ring with J-Vo, it really is 10 years of coaching in 10 minutes. It’s extraordinary what that experience can do. So, may I quickly tell my story with you?
Jennifer Voss: I would love for you to tell your story.
Allyson S.: So my 10 minutes, and what was it, maybe it was more like 15. It wasn’t very long that I was in the ring with you because there was a group of us. I should mention J-Vo was our leader the year that I did Master Coach Certification with Martha Beck, with The Martha Beck Institute. Luckily for me, I got to learn from J-Vo, who she’s just so brilliant and I feel so blessed. So at the culmination of that experience was a retreat at Martha’s ranch. We got to go in the ring with J-Vo for, I think we each got about 15 to 20 minutes, and I had never done Equus coaching before. It was something that I always wanted to do.
Allyson S.: I like to tell the story that I grew up with horses. I grew up on a ranch and I grew up riding horses every day, and I really, really had experienced … It was like an entirely different experience with a horse. It’s like I’d never interacted with a horse before in my life. I got in there with you and I wasn’t even sure what I wanted, but I knew what I didn’t want.
Jennifer Voss: That’s clarity of vision right there.
Allyson S.: Yes. And it’s actually, I might even get emotional talking about it. I was so tired of hiding myself and hiding my spiritual gifts, and hiding my story and playing it safe. I was just so damned tired of it, and you were coaching me, and the horse, I was trying so hard to be something else, but the horse just kept mirroring exactly what I was doing. I was trying to … I remember just really trying to outsmart the horse, but I really couldn’t. I remember you saying, “Allyson, what do you want? What do you want?” I was just like, “I want to uncork.” It was that feeling of taking this cork off me that had been bottling myself up, and my true gifts and my spirituality and my woo-woo weird flag and all those things, that I just wanted to wave proudly. In that moment, the horse just … It reacted. It was instantaneous, and all of the sudden, the horse started … I shifted into perfect alignment with the horse. It was doing everything I asked it to do.
Jennifer Voss: Yeah. It was a beautiful sight to behold, and it did. It felt, up watching where I was, it did. It felt like this energy had just, this stupor that you had, the cork that you had on part of your true essence, I could already see your true essence but there was this little part of your true essence that just … It was like that cork blew off and there was Allyson. I still use your picture, Allyson, on some of my marketing.
Allyson S.: Aww.
Jennifer Voss: With your permission, thank you.
Allyson S.: Yes, yes. I was so lucky enough that we had, and there was a professional photographer just sitting in the-
Jennifer Voss: Of course there was.
Allyson S.: Of course there was. Taking photos, and she actually captured the very moment. You really did, and it was the most extraordinary thing, one of the most extraordinary things that’s ever happened to me, and one the most extraordinary thing that happened to me during the Master Coach training. It was so fast, and it was really everything you’re talking about here, all in 15, 20 minutes. The clarity of vision was, “I want to stop corking myself.” And I couldn’t, when I walked in the ring, I don’t even think I could’ve communicated that so clearly. It was just a urge.
Jennifer Voss: The urge, right. That’s clarity of vision. People confuse it with you need to have all the details. No, it’s more of a feeling state. Clarity of vision, but from a visceral perspective. So you had clarity of vision, and at what point did you trust it?
Allyson S.: God, it was like I was holding back, holding back, holding back. So the horse was just mirroring me, and I was like, “Dang horse, can’t I outsmart you?” But I really couldn’t. This was part of it, I think maybe part of the beauty was all the other master peeps, as we called ourselves, were watching. So on the one hand they were like, I think we were all holding space for each other, kind of making it an even higher vibe experience. But on the other hand I was like, “Oh, they’re all watching me.” That was playing into my doubt, especially when I first walked into the ring. I don’t know, it just felt like I had just … It was instantaneous. It was like I had literally uncorked, like the cork had just popped out, and with the champagne spilling out all over the place. I just shifted into trust, like [inaudible 00:29:46] shift.
Jennifer Voss: And my guess is you got a piece of evidence when you saw the horse react. You were able to witness the response and the feedback.
Allyson S.: Yes.
Jennifer Voss: Of your environment, which when we look around us and we start gaining evidence that, “Oh yeah, trust that,” that’s what builds trust, gaining pieces of evidence. Which is the beauty of the Equus work, is you can gain instantaneous pieces of evidence to support your new theories.
Allyson S.: That’s brilliant.
Jennifer Voss: Yeah, and then heart. Your heart connection, how was it at that point?
Allyson S.: It felt in complete alignment.
Jennifer Voss: Mm-hmm (affirmative), which is the fourth part, right? Congruence, complete alignment with everything that’s going around you. You were with like-minded people, you were in a place that you felt, I’m guessing, safe. You had your vision, and right in that moment, it all came into alignment. So it is really the four pieces.
Allyson S.: Yes.
Jennifer Voss: I love that.
Allyson S.: I love it too. And that feedback became the brand of my business, the name of this podcast. You know, it really became who I am as a coach today.
Jennifer Voss: Uh-huh.
Allyson S.: You know? Just all on that one, that alignment that I experienced in the ring that you’re talking about. And I did exactly as you said, I played in the magic, and then I took it and I stayed in the real. I took all that and I put it on my website and I launched the podcast, and I did all of those things that you are describing.
Jennifer Voss: Which I love, and I just thought about this. You know, I didn’t know what I was going to name my company either at the time, and I ended up … My lawyer was like, “You have to find a company name if you want an LLC.” I was like, “Okay. Feels Like Freedom, LLC.” I did kind of the same thing. I had nothing other than I knew it needed to feel like freedom, so that’s not the branding that I use, but as you were just talking about, your uncorking experience, I was like, “Oh. It totally works that you’re moving through the world with your feeling state and vision as your brand.” It works.
Allyson S.: Yes. I love Feels Like Freedom. I just wrote that down. That’s the best business name ever.
Jennifer Voss: It’s fun. It’s fun, and it makes me smile, and every time I write it or every time I see it, like a check, my checkbook or whatever, I’m reminded, “Oh wait. Does this feel like freedom? Yes, okay.”
Allyson S.: I love it, I love it. This is just so amazing. So I like to … I’m going to put you on the spot a little bit, so don’t be mad at me. I like to, as we wrap up this conversation, I like to leave listeners with challenges. So would you have a challenge for our listeners on this juicy topic we’ve been talking about?
Jennifer Voss: How can you play in the magic and stay in the real? How can you capture a vision? Even if you don’t think it’s clear, but capture the feeling states of a vision? Build some evidence to trust it, and gauge with your heart or whatever your values are, and then try to bring everything in alignment and just start watching the synchronicities that happen. Keep a little journal or something. It’s like the question, if you ask the question, “How can I stay …” I’m mixing this up, stay in the magic, play in the real. No, how can you play in the magic and stay in the real? How can I do that today? I think that’s a great challenge.
Allyson S.: Yes. I love it. You know, what you were talking about, because I’ve been through coaching and Master Coaching Certification, so I was familiar with what you were talking about, doing small things to trigger the feelings that you want to most experience. Like in your vision, what are those feeling states that are in your vision? That’s just something I forget. You just forget. So for me, what a beautiful reminder as part of playing in that magic, like what are those feelings that you want to experience in the magic, and what are the little things that you could start doing today to trigger those emotions.
Jennifer Voss: Right.
Allyson S.: Such a good reminder. If it’s new to you, perfect, and if this is stuff that you’ve heard before, then you get to be reminded.
Jennifer Voss: I love that, because I need a reminder every day.
Allyson S.: So do I, so do I. J-Vo, oh my gosh, this was just so amazing. I am so, so, so grateful for you and your genius, and sharing your genius. I’m really, really … And I have to say, this podcast is going to be released on my birthday. Yay.
Jennifer Voss: Oh. Well, happy birthday early.
Allyson S.: Thank you so much. So it’s a celebration, and you do so much. You’re the CEO of Martha Beck Institute. You’re working with Koelle, the Equus training institute, and you have your own coaching business. So tell us how, if people are interested in coaching with you, which I say run, don’t walk, because you are so extraordinary as a coach, how can they find you?
Jennifer Voss: My website is www.truthexperience.com. Which Truth Experience has a whole different story behind, but it’s www.truthexperience.com.
Allyson S.: Nice, and I will leave that in the show notes, so people will be able to find it in the show notes. Again, I’m just so grateful for your time and for your wisdom. Thank you, thank you, J-Vo.
Jennifer Voss: Thank you, Allyson. And still, your Equus experience remains one of my very favorites, so it was great to be here, and I love hearing that story any time.
Allyson S.: Oh gosh. Oh, thank you so much. So grateful. I always end each podcast episode with, as always, stay uncorked.
Jennifer Voss: I love it.
Allyson S.: That truly was such a treat to talk to Jennifer, who coached me for 15 minutes and launched my brand for the next two years, and really helped me in so many ways to realize the vision that I had for myself two years ago that I feel like I’m living today. So, I’m going to echo her challenge. How can you, today, this week, right now, play in the magic, and stay in the real?
Allyson S.: It would be very magical for me if you’re digging on this podcast, if you liked this episode, if you received something from it, I’d be super grateful, and I’m really grateful for the people who do this, you know who you are. You share it with your network. Give it a like, give it a love, give it a rating, give it a review. It really is how more people can find this information and receive its wisdom. I’ll say it again, until next time, stay uncorked.
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